mastergolden1 wrote on Apr 17, '08
Funny i would have thought that was so as well....
but no....they will never be real shaman or mages or magus or wizards...and they know this.....
Techno isn't moving forward its advancing backwards
It is a means to an end truly but what is this design within us all and thats to advance, cheating only wins if you don't get caught, and they know they will be caught, out gunned and without a soul.....
So What they bring to the table may look good physically but the gift they want will never fully be in their hands.....
So bring it on.....
A million or more......Tomorrow's are way behind Us
but no....they will never be real shaman or mages or magus or wizards...and they know this.....
Techno isn't moving forward its advancing backwards
It is a means to an end truly but what is this design within us all and thats to advance, cheating only wins if you don't get caught, and they know they will be caught, out gunned and without a soul.....
So What they bring to the table may look good physically but the gift they want will never fully be in their hands.....
So bring it on.....
A million or more......Tomorrow's are way behind Us
msn-dal-theos wrote on Apr 18, '08
sorry but I have to be blunt on this one,
Techno anything is nothing more than a joke....unless it's it's music.
techno mystical arts, will never fully blend, until your the god and the universal tools you use apply to your wealth, as a self creation..
---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Fixing the mistaken Part one | by Luxas for everyone |
http://www.greatcom.org/resources/demons_witches_and_the_occult/chap01/default.htm
above is a link to a text of a book about the secrets and natures of the occult, i am going to use text from this messaged books ideals to show you what they don't know is why it isn't written....
(mind you this is for informational purposes alone and not to be copied or applied elsewhere without the same understanding of the message to be applied......)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
In this book we are attempting to expose the workings of Satan and the occultic realm by looking at what the Bible says about the subject In doing this, it is our desire to give a balanced picture of the situation and to avoid sensationalism.
WHAT IS THE OCCULT?
The word "occult" comes from the Latin word "occultus" (actually the word comes from the Roman word "ocul-i (then moved into occulti (from the blaten miss use of the word "cult" from the root word "culture" and it carries the idea of things hidden, secret, and mysterious. David Hoover, author of How to Respond to the Occult (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1977), fists three distinct characteristics of the occult:
1. The occult deals with things secret or hidden.
(but only to those whom can't read or won't read well)
2. The occult deals with operations or events which seem to depend on human powers that go beyond the five senses.
(actually it motivates the 5 senses to channel the energy of the body to see another...)
3. The occult deals with the supernatural, the presence of angelic or demonic forces. (correct, but as forms of information exchanges, only the ones whom break with this design tread on not safe ground...)
Under the designation occult we would
class at least the following items: witchcraft, magic, palm reading, fortune-telling, ouija boards, tarot cards, satanism, spiritism, demons, and the use of crystal balls. To this list we could add much more. (incorrect)
palm reading, ouji,crystal balls and a few others wouldn't be in the occult, they are just mis-labeled
C. S. Lewis once commented, 'There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight" (C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters, New York: Macmillan, 1961, preface).
(suckers/aka/mis-informed) are often the ones who write about what they don't experience firsthand)
A WORD OF WARNING
We realize that by informing people about the world of the occult, we will be exposing certain people to things and practices of which they have previously been ignorant. It is not our desire to stimulate one's curiosity in the realm of the occult to where it becomes an obsession. Seeing that mankind has a certain fascination about evil, it would be wise to take the advice of the Apostle Paul, "I want you to be wise in what is good and innocent in what is evil" (ROM. 16:19).(paul said) in wisdom there can be no enemy, so to know is to understand what you have is what you want...)
Bible Readers for centuries now have been mis-reading the words to create not distrust in ones own world but to separate the willing and the non-willing..of followers.....
Playing around with the world of can lead to serious repercussions, both psychologically and spiritually. (correct in this) There is a difference between knowing intellectually that taking poison will kill you and actually taking the poison to experience what you already knew to be a fact. (though what is this word and why is it use this way came from the taking of it...lol) We need to be aware of the workings of the satanic realm but not to the point of unhealthy fascination, obsession, or involvement. (again they make the sides image, i for one had been apart of a ritual in satanism a-long-time ago and i can say that the occult rarely enters into the workings other then the name-calling) and as for un-healthy obsession....what is onward Christian soldier......aimed at....) not onward child of wisdom in a book with many names.....
THE SUPERNATURAL DOES EXIST (correct it called the Para natural)
We live in a day when people are looking for answers to life's basic questions, "What is the purpose of life?"; "Is there life after death?"; "Is there evidence for the existence of a supernatural God?"
According to the Bible there is a supernatural warfare going on: (again another lie told by those whom have only words not images) "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Eph. 6:12).
(again another chapter mis-read) struggle is not of the flesh and bone but of our desires to know, be it by rank or nation or by the lacking of our own wickedness"
This ongoing spiritual battle is between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan. (lol, no such war) One purpose of Jesus Christ's coming to earth was given to us by the Apostle John, "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil" (1 John 3:8). again a misread chapter.... I believe the image of gods divine truth was to show us our own limits and how to be what he wants of us...the word....
Although the Scriptures make it clear that the supernatural is real and that spiritual warfare is going on, there are those who would like to demythologize the accounts of the devil, demons, and demon possession. They contend that the supernatural references in the Bible are from a prescientific, superstitious worldview. However, if one takes the supernatural out of the Bible, all the meaning goes out with it
(if they get out of the game they would see who the real players are and how they move)
. John Montgomery, dean of the Simon Greenleaf School of Law and leading contemporary theologian, comments:
One of my theological professors used to state flatly that the demonic in the New Testament was to be regarded as symbolic (of evil, psychosis, disease, etc.), and he became quite agitated when I asked him whether we should also regard Jesus as symbolic (of the good, of mental and physical health, etc.) since in the narrative of Jesus' temptation in the wilderness a dialogue takes place between Jesus and the devil-both evidently regarded as having comparable reality or unreality! This points up the difficulty with demythologizing of the satanic in the New Testament: They are integrally bound up with the reality of Jesus and His entire message (John Warwick Montgomery, Principalities and Powers, Minneapolis: Bethany Fellowship, 1973, pp. 54,.55).
(because as a lawyers, one must be within control of the laws that regard their own will and actions you lose cases if you call GOD or the Devil to the Stand...but thats why idealist try to do to have a side to combat....
Those who would strip away the so-called myths from the Scripture are left with an empty gospel, devoid of any life-transforming power. In answer to such critics, we respond with the truth and rational claims of the whole gospel-including Satan's war against it and 'God's supernatural intervention and ultimate triumph. The world occult is real, and God's all-powerful is just as real!
(truthfully that isn't so, by the virtues of our own insight we must contend that to do good is to receive the likes of good like messages and responses and to do bad..is to receive the same but not as ones own judgment but that of community
OCCULTIC DECEPTION
Although we admit the reality of the supernatural, we must be careful not to place all unexplained phenomena into the supernatural category There is much that goes on under the guise of the supernatural that is nothing but fakery This pseudo-occult phenomenon has fooled many people into believing in its legitimacy. (but then you contend with the image of events happening to others that are occult by the word.....) so how can an event be that fake....
In an excellent book entitled The Fakers, Danny Korem and Paul Meier expose much of this phenomenon that is taken to be supernatural. They explain the difference between what is real and what is actually deception:(but again your basing it on the intellectual denial method and not in the actions of the word......) one could contend that the bibles chapters are fake as well because there is no-one with a last name in the bible, and since one is known by their family name they have none.....
What is the difference between occult and pseudo-occult phenomena? Occult phenomena are phenomena of or relating to supernatural agencies, their effects, and knowledge of them. An example which many people consider a manifestation of occultic powers is demon possession. While the manifestation is visible, the force behind it is not. We can see the effects of a possession, but we cannot see the demon perpetrating the manifestation. (again another reason this debate will be never ending) unless they get possessed....lol Pseudo-occult phenomena are events which appear to be caused by secretive, supernatural powers and yet are brought about by physical or psychological means. (the flip side of magic(k) which is Alchemical, or indirected)
One purpose of this book is to point out the difference between the occult and pseudo-occult. There is a great danger in treating both on equal ground. One man who had reportedly performed the act of exorcism on several demon-possessed individuals tried his hand on a young teenager. The man strapped the young lady to a chair to prevent her from harming herself and proceeded with his ritual. It turned out that the girl was not demon possessed but was schizophrenic and needed the help of a trained psychiatrist. The girl, obviously terrified by the trauma, was left in worse shape than when she first went to see the man in question (Danny Korem and Paul Meier, The Fakers, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1980, pp. 15, 16).
(again this by a judge that knows nothing about the woman or her history, though i do admit the imagery of one in harms way can invoke it....)
Needless to say, caution must be exercised before assuming some unexplained phenomenon is demonic. While not all Christian writers would place certain phenomena under the category of deception, as do Korem and Meier, the latter clearly demonstrate the need for restraint in attributing many unexplained phenomena to the occult. (lol) they are selling you this to show not sides but values and to that in the occult..the word defines the method of seeing it..lol
THE OCCULT EXPLOSION
We five in a day when occult activity is rapidly increasing. Martin Ebon, former administrative secretary of the Parapsychology, Foundation, and the author of The Satan Trap and Dangers of the Occult, gives his assessment of the upswing of interest in occult phenomena:
Occult practices and psychic phenomena exercising a hold on millions of Americans today. . .(yes and no)
Two mass stimuli have contributed to this trend. One is the drug cult, which causes an interest in such matters as a "non-drug high, " to be sought in meditation and similar practices, as well as in confirmation of the drug-induced feeling that mind may control matter or events. (yeah thats where you get the fakers, dreamers, or the psychos) Second, a series of highly popular motion pictures created successive waves of occult or pseudo-occult involvements. With Rosemary's Baby, which pictured the birth of a diabolic infant, came an upswing in witchcraft practices; with The Exorcist, demonic possession and exorcism were dramatized to a public of -millions; other films and television shows have dealt with similar themes ("The Occult Temptation, " by Martin Ebon, The Humanist, January/February, 1977).
(again if they knew what they was suppose to be educated in they would know that occulist seek out such movies to see how close they come to knowing anything, or if there is a message that the writers...are trying to morally preach...
It is evident that occult beliefs have now penetrated every web of our society. From the media to grocery stores, one cannot turn without encountering some type of occultic literature or influence. One can find horoscopes for weight loss and horoscopes for a better sex life.
(you could do that 25 years before when occult was still hidden, just not so locally now) and the idea is that something happened and you whom are to be the answer people can't offer any....(i'm not advocating they will never, just give them time) but the fact is its a subject that even 50 years from now they still only have word of mouth to voice about...
WHY IS THERE SUCH AN INTEREST IN THE OCCULT?
sadly this interest comes not from those labeled occulist it comes from those whom think they see or know something in it...
With the alarming rate at which people are becoming involved in the occult, the inevitable question of "why" comes up: Why do people who live in this enlightened age with intellectual thoughts seek it out....
Facts about the Growing Interest in the Occult
1. Women constitute a majority of the buyers of occult books, magazines, and charms. (actually thats not true) they get others into the trend)
2. A company called The American Astrological Association claims it has sold horoscopes to 339,660 individuals for $3.50-$9.95 each. (astrology has been around before the word occult was even uttered) even kings and priest of god do it...
3. Some 86,000 women paid $8.40 each through the mail to purchase a genie-in-the-bottle good luck pendant.
(and lipstick) lol
4. A total of 208,302 people purchased the Handbook of supernatural Powers, which gives directions for ancient spells and potions. (but they also pay for ghost comics as well as other books on get rich quick scams)
5. There are 16,842 members of the Circle of Mystic and Occult Arts Book Club of Prentice Hall Publishing.
(so why not 10, million....)
all the marvelous scientific and technological advances become involved in occultic practices? (thats because its in rances that may or may not bridge the fields, and if it bridges it..one last mystery, if not..then technical answers will only go to prove something that the intellectals will still have to admit...(THEY DON'T KNOW) "which of course they will fight to their dying day not to....We believe there are several factors that have contributed to the rise of occult popularity.
The secularization of Christianity In recent years there has been a denial of the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith from those occupying a position of leadership in the church. This leaves a greater spiritual vacuum in the world which invites people who have spiritual needs to go elsewhere to have them satisfied. Moreover, some of these church leaders who have forsaken the gospel have themselves become practitioners of the occult, causing a follow-the-leader mentality in many former churchgoers.
(no thats not why, its because "they don't have the answers, never did")
The classic example would be the Episcopal bishop, James Pike, who rejected church's belief in the deity of Christ, virgin birth, and other central truths. After the suicide death of his son, Pike began consult mediums, including the fame Arthur Ford, in an attempt to contact spirit of his dead son. Pike became a firm believer in life after death from his occultic involvement rather than from biblical doctrine and took many people with him into the dark world of the occult. When the church "waters down" the gospel of Christ, the door to occultic practice swings wide open.
(no the churches door was closing and so was the funding, so the door opened wide to accept they don't know and wanted to have ....(as they tried to do in the past)
Curiosity. There is a certain mystery about the occult that appeals to our curiosity. Many who get involved in occult practices do so by starting out with so-called "harmless" practices such as reading horoscopes or using a Ouija board. They afterward proceed into deeper involvement because of an increasing curiosity. Buzzard comments upon this fascination:
(when your board moves and theres no one in the room, thats not curiosity thats just "what the heck" you call your prest and have them clean the place as you touch the bible and read chapters..then 5 hours later the board cracks.....you then call a psychic and ask them to look into it, and over the phone they say destroy the board.....so she throws it in the trash....finding out there was termites in the board.....)
lol.......
Our age seems to have a deep fascination with evil, the bizarre, and the inexplicable. It thrives on horror and repulsion. What makes one faint or vomit or experience nightmares has a kind of magnetic charm. Mary Knoblauch summed up this fascination in commenting on The Exorcist.- "Perhaps the most frightening thing about The Exorcist is that thirst for and fascination with evil that lies buried in us all, surfacing with savage swiftness at the right incarnation." The moment of that incarnation seems to be upon us. What was buried has arisen and dances unashamedly in the streets (Lynn Buzzard, Introduction to Demon Possession, edited by John Warwick Montgomery, Minneapolis: Bethany Fellowship, 1976, pp. 17, 18).
"to see the face of death, or pain allows you to deal with its ever closing truth..."
Unfortunately, there is a price to pay for this curiosity about the occult. The occult is not something neutral that an individual can get in and out of without any adverse effects.
( called wicca, and pagan/satanic experiences done by neither one or all the subjects listed...(this is referred to as dabbling, its nothing different then the idea you want a pro but you end up with a less then desirable act...)
In his book Kingdom of Darkness, E W Thomas r-elates a story of a man-and-wife journalistic team who desired to investigate the occult in London. They joined a satanic group to obtain firsthand information, but eventually withdrew because of the frightening things they observed. Their fives were never the same. They were troubled by many terrible experiences and incidents. (well one they sought without knowing, they may have just wanted to see and got drugged, or the basic truth of an outsider, you get what you seek, or it may seek you to get what its owed...)
Thomas concluded, "Such was the experience of an unwise couple whose curiosity for black magic dragged them through untold anguish and despair. One cannot just pick up the dark bolts of magical fire and drop them at will without getting burned. There is always a price to pay for use of these forbidden powers, in this world as well as in the world to come" (F W Thomas, Kingdom of Darkness, cited by Clifford Wilson and John Weldon, Occult Shock and Psychic Forces, San Diego: Master Books, 1980, pp. 13, 14).
(Lol, you don't join of your own accord your invited, and if you join as a lie..the lie will eventually be revealed..the (bad) that happens to one..is because they have that fear of what they want to know to begin with...(come not to trespass but to belong) otherwise you get what you give...
The occult offers reality. There is a reality in the occultic experience that attracts many people to it. All of us desire some sort of ultimate answer for life's basic questions, an the world of the occult gladly supplies answers. The astrologist will chart your future The Ouija board promises you direction, and the medium talking to the spirit of your dead relative informs you that things are fine in the next world. (to the most point they get it) as long as they don't poke where they aren't wanted.....until they are invited)
Since these occultic practices do reveal some amazing things, the practitioner is lulled into thinking that he has experienced ultimate reality and no longer needs to continue his search for truth. The spiritual vacuum is filled by means of a spiritual experience, not with God, but often from the very pit of bell. (lol, the spiritual vacum is never filled just more alive because it has the possibilities of answers even when they may direct the ones whom are occult to seek out god..and others as well....(the first making of creation)
FREEWILL, not to just serve god, but to be served to know why god may or may not call to them as "god"
(Churches fear this information because they are guilty of the worst crime of all "not seeking truth"......but yet preaching a message to it.....(many an occult sheep was taken to the shedding of their coat not by the workers of their own..but by the churches they went to for answers) so does that make them occulist as well, just not members?
THE BIBLE AND THE OCCULT
The Bible categorically denounces any and all occultic practices: (actually it doesn't..another mis-reading..but well it was an attack at a kingdom and the way they could "holy war" at it...)
When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritualist, or one who calls upon the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord 'your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so (Deut. 18:9-14).
(this was written by hypocrites) ok..talking to angels, praying to get things, having god or his angels bless your home, attacking ones enemy, and a host of other messages of lies...(god as i know) wants share, debate, fortune to be equal, and food to be offered....so do occulist, its just the greedy that take it to the other side of offer...
In the same manner, the New Testament condemns such workings (Gal. 5:20). In the city of Ephesus many who were practicing in the occult became believers in Jesus Christ and renounced their occultic practices. "Marry also of those, who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of all . (Acts 19:19).
(once again these so called sayings are based in the image of occult magic(k) being done in by jesus's will...(doing miracles...another un-seen secret way...because i don't see jesus passing his gift on to another...in the same as he done...) so judge not least be judged as well
Another encounter with the occult can be seen in Acts 13:6-12:
And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for thus his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze upon him, and said, "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and not see the sun for a time. " And immediately a mist and a darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking those who would lead him by the hand. Then the proconsul believed when he saw what happened, being amazed at the teaching of the Lord. (actions such as these aren't god) but merely to aid in the reaction to one whom dabbles in something they should be wise in..beforehand....)
Truthfully both church and man and nature and occult are guilty of these.....
The false prophet who called himself Bar-Jesus (Son of Jesus) was actually trying to keep the governor, Sergius Paulus, from becoming a believer, and the judgment of blindness on this man was immediate. Walter Martin makes some astute observations on the passage by fitting five characteristics of those who oppose God:
1. They are in league with Satan and possess certain supernatural powers. (sadly that side has been very dis-proven)
2. They are false prophets.
truthfully anyone whom utters to another without the sighted truth of their own being..is a false prophet...(and even real prophets of gods own hands had lied in testimony to later change when facing death...)
3. They seek to influence people politically and ecclesiastically, particularly those in positions of power (verses 6, 7). (same can be said by those whom have no magic(k) and attack at those whom are with it..)
4. They attempt to prevent those who are seeking to hear the Word of God from learning it by opposing those who preach it (verse 8).The Word of god can't be so blinded by one whom has the right will otherwise it is not a word but a thought...)
5. They deliberately attempt to divert prospective converts from the faith (verse 8) as their ultimate goal (Walter Martin, The Maze of Mormonism, Santa Ana, CA: Vision House Publishers, Inc., 1977, pp. 216, 217).
(Freewill, is what allows diversions not the pursuit of a Word or Wisdom......)
Imagine what else they don't know....
above is a link to a text of a book about the secrets and natures of the occult, i am going to use text from this messaged books ideals to show you what they don't know is why it isn't written....
(mind you this is for informational purposes alone and not to be copied or applied elsewhere without the same understanding of the message to be applied......)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
In this book we are attempting to expose the workings of Satan and the occultic realm by looking at what the Bible says about the subject In doing this, it is our desire to give a balanced picture of the situation and to avoid sensationalism.
WHAT IS THE OCCULT?
The word "occult" comes from the Latin word "occultus" (actually the word comes from the Roman word "ocul-i (then moved into occulti (from the blaten miss use of the word "cult" from the root word "culture" and it carries the idea of things hidden, secret, and mysterious. David Hoover, author of How to Respond to the Occult (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1977), fists three distinct characteristics of the occult:
1. The occult deals with things secret or hidden.
(but only to those whom can't read or won't read well)
2. The occult deals with operations or events which seem to depend on human powers that go beyond the five senses.
(actually it motivates the 5 senses to channel the energy of the body to see another...)
3. The occult deals with the supernatural, the presence of angelic or demonic forces. (correct, but as forms of information exchanges, only the ones whom break with this design tread on not safe ground...)
Under the designation occult we would
class at least the following items: witchcraft, magic, palm reading, fortune-telling, ouija boards, tarot cards, satanism, spiritism, demons, and the use of crystal balls. To this list we could add much more. (incorrect)
palm reading, ouji,crystal balls and a few others wouldn't be in the occult, they are just mis-labeled
C. S. Lewis once commented, 'There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight" (C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters, New York: Macmillan, 1961, preface).
(suckers/aka/mis-informed) are often the ones who write about what they don't experience firsthand)
A WORD OF WARNING
We realize that by informing people about the world of the occult, we will be exposing certain people to things and practices of which they have previously been ignorant. It is not our desire to stimulate one's curiosity in the realm of the occult to where it becomes an obsession. Seeing that mankind has a certain fascination about evil, it would be wise to take the advice of the Apostle Paul, "I want you to be wise in what is good and innocent in what is evil" (ROM. 16:19).(paul said) in wisdom there can be no enemy, so to know is to understand what you have is what you want...)
Bible Readers for centuries now have been mis-reading the words to create not distrust in ones own world but to separate the willing and the non-willing..of followers.....
Playing around with the world of can lead to serious repercussions, both psychologically and spiritually. (correct in this) There is a difference between knowing intellectually that taking poison will kill you and actually taking the poison to experience what you already knew to be a fact. (though what is this word and why is it use this way came from the taking of it...lol) We need to be aware of the workings of the satanic realm but not to the point of unhealthy fascination, obsession, or involvement. (again they make the sides image, i for one had been apart of a ritual in satanism a-long-time ago and i can say that the occult rarely enters into the workings other then the name-calling) and as for un-healthy obsession....what is onward Christian soldier......aimed at....) not onward child of wisdom in a book with many names.....
THE SUPERNATURAL DOES EXIST (correct it called the Para natural)
We live in a day when people are looking for answers to life's basic questions, "What is the purpose of life?"; "Is there life after death?"; "Is there evidence for the existence of a supernatural God?"
According to the Bible there is a supernatural warfare going on: (again another lie told by those whom have only words not images) "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Eph. 6:12).
(again another chapter mis-read) struggle is not of the flesh and bone but of our desires to know, be it by rank or nation or by the lacking of our own wickedness"
This ongoing spiritual battle is between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan. (lol, no such war) One purpose of Jesus Christ's coming to earth was given to us by the Apostle John, "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil" (1 John 3:8). again a misread chapter.... I believe the image of gods divine truth was to show us our own limits and how to be what he wants of us...the word....
Although the Scriptures make it clear that the supernatural is real and that spiritual warfare is going on, there are those who would like to demythologize the accounts of the devil, demons, and demon possession. They contend that the supernatural references in the Bible are from a prescientific, superstitious worldview. However, if one takes the supernatural out of the Bible, all the meaning goes out with it
(if they get out of the game they would see who the real players are and how they move)
. John Montgomery, dean of the Simon Greenleaf School of Law and leading contemporary theologian, comments:
One of my theological professors used to state flatly that the demonic in the New Testament was to be regarded as symbolic (of evil, psychosis, disease, etc.), and he became quite agitated when I asked him whether we should also regard Jesus as symbolic (of the good, of mental and physical health, etc.) since in the narrative of Jesus' temptation in the wilderness a dialogue takes place between Jesus and the devil-both evidently regarded as having comparable reality or unreality! This points up the difficulty with demythologizing of the satanic in the New Testament: They are integrally bound up with the reality of Jesus and His entire message (John Warwick Montgomery, Principalities and Powers, Minneapolis: Bethany Fellowship, 1973, pp. 54,.55).
(because as a lawyers, one must be within control of the laws that regard their own will and actions you lose cases if you call GOD or the Devil to the Stand...but thats why idealist try to do to have a side to combat....
Those who would strip away the so-called myths from the Scripture are left with an empty gospel, devoid of any life-transforming power. In answer to such critics, we respond with the truth and rational claims of the whole gospel-including Satan's war against it and 'God's supernatural intervention and ultimate triumph. The world occult is real, and God's all-powerful is just as real!
(truthfully that isn't so, by the virtues of our own insight we must contend that to do good is to receive the likes of good like messages and responses and to do bad..is to receive the same but not as ones own judgment but that of community
OCCULTIC DECEPTION
Although we admit the reality of the supernatural, we must be careful not to place all unexplained phenomena into the supernatural category There is much that goes on under the guise of the supernatural that is nothing but fakery This pseudo-occult phenomenon has fooled many people into believing in its legitimacy. (but then you contend with the image of events happening to others that are occult by the word.....) so how can an event be that fake....
In an excellent book entitled The Fakers, Danny Korem and Paul Meier expose much of this phenomenon that is taken to be supernatural. They explain the difference between what is real and what is actually deception:(but again your basing it on the intellectual denial method and not in the actions of the word......) one could contend that the bibles chapters are fake as well because there is no-one with a last name in the bible, and since one is known by their family name they have none.....
What is the difference between occult and pseudo-occult phenomena? Occult phenomena are phenomena of or relating to supernatural agencies, their effects, and knowledge of them. An example which many people consider a manifestation of occultic powers is demon possession. While the manifestation is visible, the force behind it is not. We can see the effects of a possession, but we cannot see the demon perpetrating the manifestation. (again another reason this debate will be never ending) unless they get possessed....lol Pseudo-occult phenomena are events which appear to be caused by secretive, supernatural powers and yet are brought about by physical or psychological means. (the flip side of magic(k) which is Alchemical, or indirected)
One purpose of this book is to point out the difference between the occult and pseudo-occult. There is a great danger in treating both on equal ground. One man who had reportedly performed the act of exorcism on several demon-possessed individuals tried his hand on a young teenager. The man strapped the young lady to a chair to prevent her from harming herself and proceeded with his ritual. It turned out that the girl was not demon possessed but was schizophrenic and needed the help of a trained psychiatrist. The girl, obviously terrified by the trauma, was left in worse shape than when she first went to see the man in question (Danny Korem and Paul Meier, The Fakers, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1980, pp. 15, 16).
(again this by a judge that knows nothing about the woman or her history, though i do admit the imagery of one in harms way can invoke it....)
Needless to say, caution must be exercised before assuming some unexplained phenomenon is demonic. While not all Christian writers would place certain phenomena under the category of deception, as do Korem and Meier, the latter clearly demonstrate the need for restraint in attributing many unexplained phenomena to the occult. (lol) they are selling you this to show not sides but values and to that in the occult..the word defines the method of seeing it..lol
THE OCCULT EXPLOSION
We five in a day when occult activity is rapidly increasing. Martin Ebon, former administrative secretary of the Parapsychology, Foundation, and the author of The Satan Trap and Dangers of the Occult, gives his assessment of the upswing of interest in occult phenomena:
Occult practices and psychic phenomena exercising a hold on millions of Americans today. . .(yes and no)
Two mass stimuli have contributed to this trend. One is the drug cult, which causes an interest in such matters as a "non-drug high, " to be sought in meditation and similar practices, as well as in confirmation of the drug-induced feeling that mind may control matter or events. (yeah thats where you get the fakers, dreamers, or the psychos) Second, a series of highly popular motion pictures created successive waves of occult or pseudo-occult involvements. With Rosemary's Baby, which pictured the birth of a diabolic infant, came an upswing in witchcraft practices; with The Exorcist, demonic possession and exorcism were dramatized to a public of -millions; other films and television shows have dealt with similar themes ("The Occult Temptation, " by Martin Ebon, The Humanist, January/February, 1977).
(again if they knew what they was suppose to be educated in they would know that occulist seek out such movies to see how close they come to knowing anything, or if there is a message that the writers...are trying to morally preach...
It is evident that occult beliefs have now penetrated every web of our society. From the media to grocery stores, one cannot turn without encountering some type of occultic literature or influence. One can find horoscopes for weight loss and horoscopes for a better sex life.
(you could do that 25 years before when occult was still hidden, just not so locally now) and the idea is that something happened and you whom are to be the answer people can't offer any....(i'm not advocating they will never, just give them time) but the fact is its a subject that even 50 years from now they still only have word of mouth to voice about...
WHY IS THERE SUCH AN INTEREST IN THE OCCULT?
sadly this interest comes not from those labeled occulist it comes from those whom think they see or know something in it...
With the alarming rate at which people are becoming involved in the occult, the inevitable question of "why" comes up: Why do people who live in this enlightened age with intellectual thoughts seek it out....
Facts about the Growing Interest in the Occult
1. Women constitute a majority of the buyers of occult books, magazines, and charms. (actually thats not true) they get others into the trend)
2. A company called The American Astrological Association claims it has sold horoscopes to 339,660 individuals for $3.50-$9.95 each. (astrology has been around before the word occult was even uttered) even kings and priest of god do it...
3. Some 86,000 women paid $8.40 each through the mail to purchase a genie-in-the-bottle good luck pendant.
(and lipstick) lol
4. A total of 208,302 people purchased the Handbook of supernatural Powers, which gives directions for ancient spells and potions. (but they also pay for ghost comics as well as other books on get rich quick scams)
5. There are 16,842 members of the Circle of Mystic and Occult Arts Book Club of Prentice Hall Publishing.
(so why not 10, million....)
all the marvelous scientific and technological advances become involved in occultic practices? (thats because its in rances that may or may not bridge the fields, and if it bridges it..one last mystery, if not..then technical answers will only go to prove something that the intellectals will still have to admit...(THEY DON'T KNOW) "which of course they will fight to their dying day not to....We believe there are several factors that have contributed to the rise of occult popularity.
The secularization of Christianity In recent years there has been a denial of the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith from those occupying a position of leadership in the church. This leaves a greater spiritual vacuum in the world which invites people who have spiritual needs to go elsewhere to have them satisfied. Moreover, some of these church leaders who have forsaken the gospel have themselves become practitioners of the occult, causing a follow-the-leader mentality in many former churchgoers.
(no thats not why, its because "they don't have the answers, never did")
The classic example would be the Episcopal bishop, James Pike, who rejected church's belief in the deity of Christ, virgin birth, and other central truths. After the suicide death of his son, Pike began consult mediums, including the fame Arthur Ford, in an attempt to contact spirit of his dead son. Pike became a firm believer in life after death from his occultic involvement rather than from biblical doctrine and took many people with him into the dark world of the occult. When the church "waters down" the gospel of Christ, the door to occultic practice swings wide open.
(no the churches door was closing and so was the funding, so the door opened wide to accept they don't know and wanted to have ....(as they tried to do in the past)
Curiosity. There is a certain mystery about the occult that appeals to our curiosity. Many who get involved in occult practices do so by starting out with so-called "harmless" practices such as reading horoscopes or using a Ouija board. They afterward proceed into deeper involvement because of an increasing curiosity. Buzzard comments upon this fascination:
(when your board moves and theres no one in the room, thats not curiosity thats just "what the heck" you call your prest and have them clean the place as you touch the bible and read chapters..then 5 hours later the board cracks.....you then call a psychic and ask them to look into it, and over the phone they say destroy the board.....so she throws it in the trash....finding out there was termites in the board.....)
lol.......
Our age seems to have a deep fascination with evil, the bizarre, and the inexplicable. It thrives on horror and repulsion. What makes one faint or vomit or experience nightmares has a kind of magnetic charm. Mary Knoblauch summed up this fascination in commenting on The Exorcist.- "Perhaps the most frightening thing about The Exorcist is that thirst for and fascination with evil that lies buried in us all, surfacing with savage swiftness at the right incarnation." The moment of that incarnation seems to be upon us. What was buried has arisen and dances unashamedly in the streets (Lynn Buzzard, Introduction to Demon Possession, edited by John Warwick Montgomery, Minneapolis: Bethany Fellowship, 1976, pp. 17, 18).
"to see the face of death, or pain allows you to deal with its ever closing truth..."
Unfortunately, there is a price to pay for this curiosity about the occult. The occult is not something neutral that an individual can get in and out of without any adverse effects.
( called wicca, and pagan/satanic experiences done by neither one or all the subjects listed...(this is referred to as dabbling, its nothing different then the idea you want a pro but you end up with a less then desirable act...)
In his book Kingdom of Darkness, E W Thomas r-elates a story of a man-and-wife journalistic team who desired to investigate the occult in London. They joined a satanic group to obtain firsthand information, but eventually withdrew because of the frightening things they observed. Their fives were never the same. They were troubled by many terrible experiences and incidents. (well one they sought without knowing, they may have just wanted to see and got drugged, or the basic truth of an outsider, you get what you seek, or it may seek you to get what its owed...)
Thomas concluded, "Such was the experience of an unwise couple whose curiosity for black magic dragged them through untold anguish and despair. One cannot just pick up the dark bolts of magical fire and drop them at will without getting burned. There is always a price to pay for use of these forbidden powers, in this world as well as in the world to come" (F W Thomas, Kingdom of Darkness, cited by Clifford Wilson and John Weldon, Occult Shock and Psychic Forces, San Diego: Master Books, 1980, pp. 13, 14).
(Lol, you don't join of your own accord your invited, and if you join as a lie..the lie will eventually be revealed..the (bad) that happens to one..is because they have that fear of what they want to know to begin with...(come not to trespass but to belong) otherwise you get what you give...
The occult offers reality. There is a reality in the occultic experience that attracts many people to it. All of us desire some sort of ultimate answer for life's basic questions, an the world of the occult gladly supplies answers. The astrologist will chart your future The Ouija board promises you direction, and the medium talking to the spirit of your dead relative informs you that things are fine in the next world. (to the most point they get it) as long as they don't poke where they aren't wanted.....until they are invited)
Since these occultic practices do reveal some amazing things, the practitioner is lulled into thinking that he has experienced ultimate reality and no longer needs to continue his search for truth. The spiritual vacuum is filled by means of a spiritual experience, not with God, but often from the very pit of bell. (lol, the spiritual vacum is never filled just more alive because it has the possibilities of answers even when they may direct the ones whom are occult to seek out god..and others as well....(the first making of creation)
FREEWILL, not to just serve god, but to be served to know why god may or may not call to them as "god"
(Churches fear this information because they are guilty of the worst crime of all "not seeking truth"......but yet preaching a message to it.....(many an occult sheep was taken to the shedding of their coat not by the workers of their own..but by the churches they went to for answers) so does that make them occulist as well, just not members?
THE BIBLE AND THE OCCULT
The Bible categorically denounces any and all occultic practices: (actually it doesn't..another mis-reading..but well it was an attack at a kingdom and the way they could "holy war" at it...)
When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritualist, or one who calls upon the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord 'your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so (Deut. 18:9-14).
(this was written by hypocrites) ok..talking to angels, praying to get things, having god or his angels bless your home, attacking ones enemy, and a host of other messages of lies...(god as i know) wants share, debate, fortune to be equal, and food to be offered....so do occulist, its just the greedy that take it to the other side of offer...
In the same manner, the New Testament condemns such workings (Gal. 5:20). In the city of Ephesus many who were practicing in the occult became believers in Jesus Christ and renounced their occultic practices. "Marry also of those, who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of all . (Acts 19:19).
(once again these so called sayings are based in the image of occult magic(k) being done in by jesus's will...(doing miracles...another un-seen secret way...because i don't see jesus passing his gift on to another...in the same as he done...) so judge not least be judged as well
Another encounter with the occult can be seen in Acts 13:6-12:
And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for thus his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze upon him, and said, "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and not see the sun for a time. " And immediately a mist and a darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking those who would lead him by the hand. Then the proconsul believed when he saw what happened, being amazed at the teaching of the Lord. (actions such as these aren't god) but merely to aid in the reaction to one whom dabbles in something they should be wise in..beforehand....)
Truthfully both church and man and nature and occult are guilty of these.....
The false prophet who called himself Bar-Jesus (Son of Jesus) was actually trying to keep the governor, Sergius Paulus, from becoming a believer, and the judgment of blindness on this man was immediate. Walter Martin makes some astute observations on the passage by fitting five characteristics of those who oppose God:
1. They are in league with Satan and possess certain supernatural powers. (sadly that side has been very dis-proven)
2. They are false prophets.
truthfully anyone whom utters to another without the sighted truth of their own being..is a false prophet...(and even real prophets of gods own hands had lied in testimony to later change when facing death...)
3. They seek to influence people politically and ecclesiastically, particularly those in positions of power (verses 6, 7). (same can be said by those whom have no magic(k) and attack at those whom are with it..)
4. They attempt to prevent those who are seeking to hear the Word of God from learning it by opposing those who preach it (verse 8).The Word of god can't be so blinded by one whom has the right will otherwise it is not a word but a thought...)
5. They deliberately attempt to divert prospective converts from the faith (verse 8) as their ultimate goal (Walter Martin, The Maze of Mormonism, Santa Ana, CA: Vision House Publishers, Inc., 1977, pp. 216, 217).
(Freewill, is what allows diversions not the pursuit of a Word or Wisdom......)
Imagine what else they don't know....
| The "WHY" we don't fix the message | by Luxas for everyone |
I did learn a great lesson last quarter about teaching. I had to
> humble myself at school in order to get through it:) Now I come to
> this quarter with a new perspective. I see lots of flaws, but it is
> not my job to point them all out unless asked, but to witness them.
> Hugs,
> Aryia
Saddly schooling has more the intellectual desires to offer up for the answering of debate on mysteries seen and studied however
they will perhaps bridge the gap between knowing it by its material and cultural awareness compared to knowing it by its connection to the models of the un-seen that lend a hand in its creation to begin with...
(to most these secrets are left to time) and that is a limitation that even the wises scholar can't seem to grasp)
your tools are perfect, they fit your inner energy well
you become animized when you are near them......
show those tools to her...please out the charge pics....because she is off your study for that...but she wants in with your witch walking....
As far as the witches design (i'm your professor/guide/teacher) but as your imagery and connective nature to the tools and service......if she wishes jen/lady will have a hand in that...
When you come here you will study all the dynamics of magic(k)
within and without the limits of conventional wisdom
I wish to offer you an overview, a practice and a resulting informational base.....
So when you see educators you will do more then you have shown.....
But your right, one must be humble in all things until they are faced with the advancing wisdom to study it on a
"more complex-ed" frame of referencing (it is nature for any advancing mind of the mystery walker, whether they be witch, druid, mage, sage, or magiester, or shaman)
to want to brighten those about them and enlighten those whom are in a difficult corner of their prospective.....
but unlike modern educators...... We are instructed by our awareness as to the time to offer.....if we are honest with ourselves as we Walk...
Luxas (Master Wizard)
Golden because i hold the book
Omnicron Advanta Magiester ( because i walk with the 5 and the 7 and the tree and the key)
Head of the A.G.W ( an order that was forged in the 533bce that was composed of the works of the hermetic arts, exclusion sciences, Egyptian achem, and the greek axolexian (Alexandrian) mysteries
and much much more....but evolved since those formal days...
Congrads your one of Us now....
> humble myself at school in order to get through it:) Now I come to
> this quarter with a new perspective. I see lots of flaws, but it is
> not my job to point them all out unless asked, but to witness them.
> Hugs,
> Aryia
Saddly schooling has more the intellectual desires to offer up for the answering of debate on mysteries seen and studied however
they will perhaps bridge the gap between knowing it by its material and cultural awareness compared to knowing it by its connection to the models of the un-seen that lend a hand in its creation to begin with...
(to most these secrets are left to time) and that is a limitation that even the wises scholar can't seem to grasp)
your tools are perfect, they fit your inner energy well
you become animized when you are near them......
show those tools to her...please out the charge pics....because she is off your study for that...but she wants in with your witch walking....
As far as the witches design (i'm your professor/guide/teacher) but as your imagery and connective nature to the tools and service......if she wishes jen/lady will have a hand in that...
When you come here you will study all the dynamics of magic(k)
within and without the limits of conventional wisdom
I wish to offer you an overview, a practice and a resulting informational base.....
So when you see educators you will do more then you have shown.....
But your right, one must be humble in all things until they are faced with the advancing wisdom to study it on a
"more complex-ed" frame of referencing (it is nature for any advancing mind of the mystery walker, whether they be witch, druid, mage, sage, or magiester, or shaman)
to want to brighten those about them and enlighten those whom are in a difficult corner of their prospective.....
but unlike modern educators...... We are instructed by our awareness as to the time to offer.....if we are honest with ourselves as we Walk...
Luxas (Master Wizard)
Golden because i hold the book
Omnicron Advanta Magiester ( because i walk with the 5 and the 7 and the tree and the key)
Head of the A.G.W ( an order that was forged in the 533bce that was composed of the works of the hermetic arts, exclusion sciences, Egyptian achem, and the greek axolexian (Alexandrian) mysteries
and much much more....but evolved since those formal days...
Congrads your one of Us now....
| Its information like this that is very much why "wizarding methods are lost " | by Luxas for everyone |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_%28fantasy%29
Wikipedia though a source of information like most places (is lost in the misguided tomfoolery of an site with no real insight to anything of magic(k)al will or want)
Truthfully i like the way it is, because it makes fools of the ones whom take to heart such insight....
Wizardry ie Wizardryl is secret because we are just "secret" not because we are told to be silent, and not for our oath, and not for some order...though they help.....
We just choose to not reveal, its in our nature to advance behind the one whom has come to our door.....
but for the select few i am going to fix wikipedia's understandings and statements.....as seen by our group if not those whom visit on us....
Well enjoy the reading and when i'm ready i will fix it......
(thank goodness for those whom don't understand) otherwise we would have a lot of others in our shoes.......
Fantasy is about to become reality...lol
Wikipedia though a source of information like most places (is lost in the misguided tomfoolery of an site with no real insight to anything of magic(k)al will or want)
Truthfully i like the way it is, because it makes fools of the ones whom take to heart such insight....
Wizardry ie Wizardryl is secret because we are just "secret" not because we are told to be silent, and not for our oath, and not for some order...though they help.....
We just choose to not reveal, its in our nature to advance behind the one whom has come to our door.....
but for the select few i am going to fix wikipedia's understandings and statements.....as seen by our group if not those whom visit on us....
Well enjoy the reading and when i'm ready i will fix it......
(thank goodness for those whom don't understand) otherwise we would have a lot of others in our shoes.......
Fantasy is about to become reality...lol
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2MM1IRR4M35L5
I came across this paper education one thin the mixture of symbolism and religious/status of the Ordo methods
I find they pinned the symbolism down well but gave no understanding as to its true foundation......
I came across this paper education one thin the mixture of symbolism and religious/status of the Ordo methods
I find they pinned the symbolism down well but gave no understanding as to its true foundation......
Though they may now
move from the center they still have yet to give up the will to want to
see so thelemic remains intellectual at best....
without the defining of the universe you end up its servant (willing or not) but without the will to be a servant to learn you lose the right to openly acquire, change and understand anything....
without the defining of the universe you end up its servant (willing or not) but without the will to be a servant to learn you lose the right to openly acquire, change and understand anything....
No comments:
Post a Comment