I
don't wish to say anything bad about a Cm group or working, because
mainly its a discovery, but when you are interested in the true and real
you don't want a road of lies...or mis-givings....
So
i like the words but the ritual isn't a Real Cm tool or Working, its
more of a fantasy chant cover like most of the revised goetic
(crowleyite frater modes) but what do you think you get when you put
religion in magickal rituals about spirits beyond ages....
here look:
LIBER STELLAE RUBEAE
http://www.boudicca.de/lsr-e.htm
LXVI
{29}
A.'. A.'.
Publication in Class A.
Imprimatur:
N. Fra A.'. A.'.
LIBER STELLAE RUBEAE
2. Let excellent virgins evoke rejoicing, son of Night!
3. This is the book of the most secret cult of the Ruby Star. It shall be given to none, save to the shameless in deed as in word.
4. No man shall understand this writing --- it is too subtle for the sons of men.
5. If the Ruby Star have shed its blood upon thee; if in the season of the moon thou hast invoked by the Iod and the Pe, then mayest thou partake of this most secret sacrament.
6. One shall instruct another, with no care for the matters of men's thought.
7. There shall be a fair altar in the midst, extended upon a black stone.
8. At the head of the altar gold, and twin images in green of the Master.
9. In the midst a cup of green wine.
10. At the foot the Star of Ruby.
11. The altar shall be entirely bare.
12. First, the ritual of the Flaming Star.
13. Next, the ritual of the Seal. {31}
14. Next, the infernal adorations of OAI
Tu wa melai
a, a, a.
Tu fu tulu!
Tu fu tulu
Pa, Sa, Ga.
Qwi Mu telai
Ya Pu melai;
u, u, u.
'Se gu malai;
Pe fu telai,
Fu tu lu.
O chi balae
Wa pa malae: ---
Ut! Ut! Ut!
Ge; fu latrai,
Le fu malai
Kut! Hut! Nut!
Al OAI
Rel moai
Ti --- Ti --- Ti!
Wa la pelai
Tu fu latai
Wi, Ni, Bi.
16. Then thou shalt excite the wheels with the two and {32} the third in the midst; even Saturn and Jupiter, Sun and Moon, Mars and Venus, and Mercury.
17. Then the five --- and the sixth.
18. Also the altar shall fume before the master with incense that hath no smoke.
19. That which is to be denied shall be denied; that which is to be trampled shall be trampled; that which is to be spat upon shall be spat upon.
20. These things shall be burnt in the outer fire.
21. Then again the master shall speak as he will soft words, and with music and what else he will bring forward the Victim.
22. Also he shall slay a young child upon the altar, and the blood shall cover the altar with perfume as of roses.
23. Then shall the master appear as He should appear --- in His glory.
24. He shall stretch himself upon the altar, and awake it into life, and into death.
25. (For so we conceal that life which is beyond.)
26. The temple shall be darkened, save for the fire and the lamp of the altar.
27. There shall he kindle a great fire and a devouring.
28. Also he shall smite the altar with his scourge, and blood shall flow therefrom.
29. Also he shall have made roses bloom thereon.
30. In the end he shall offer up the Vast Sacrifice, at the moment when the God licks up the flame upon the altar.
31. All these things shalt thou perform strictly, observing the time.
32. And the Beloved shall abide with Thee. {33}
33. Thou shalt not disclose the interior world of this rite unto any one: therefore have I written it in symbols that cannot be understood.
34. I who reveal the ritual am IAO and OAI; the Right and the Averse.
35. These are alike unto me.
36. Now the Veil of this operation is called Shame, and the Glory abideth within.
37. Thou shalt comfort the heart of the secret stone with the warm blood. Thou shalt make a subtle decoction of delight, and the Watchers shall drink thereof
38. I, Apep the Serpent, am the heart of IAO. Isis shall await Asar, and I in the midst.
39. Also the Priestess shall seek another altar, and perform my ceremonies thereon.
40. There shall be no hymn nor dithyramb in my praise and the praise of the rite, seeing that it is utterly beyond.
41. Thou shalt assure thyself of the stability of the altar.
42. In this rite thou shalt be alone.
43. I will give thee another ceremony whereby many shall rejoice.
44. Before all let the Oath be taken firmly as thou raisest up the altar from the black earth.
45. In the words that Thou knowest.
46. For I also swear unto thee by my body and soul that shall never be parted in sunder that I dwell within thee coiled and ready to spring.
47. I will give thee the kingdoms of the earth, O thou Who hast mastered the kingdoms of the East and of the West. {34}
48. I am Apep, O thou slain One. Thou shalt slay thyself upon mine altar: I will have thy blood to drink.
49. For I am a mighty vampire, and my children shall suck up the wine of the earth which is blood.
50. Thou shalt replenish thy veins from the chalice of heaven.
51. Thou shalt be secret, a fear to the world.
52. Thou shalt be exalted, and none shall see thee; exalted, and none shall suspect thee.
53. For there are two glories diverse, and thou who hast won the first shalt enjoy the second.
54. I leap with joy within thee; my head is arisen to strike.
55. O the lust, the sheer rapture, of the life of the snake in the spine!
56. Mightier than God or man, I am in them, and pervade them.
57. Follow out these my words.
58. Fear nothing. Fear nothing. Fear nothing.
60. Thou shalt fear with the fear of love: I will overcome thee.
61. Thou shalt be very nigh to death.
62. But I will overcome thee; the New Life shall illumine thee with the Light that is beyond the Stars.
63. Thinkest thou? I, the force that have created all, am not to be despised.
64. And I will slay thee in my lust. {35}
65. Thou shalt scream with the joy and the pain and the fear and the love --- so that the [Gr] LOGOS of a new God leaps out among the Stars.
66. There shall be no sound heard but this thy lion-roar of rapture; yea, this thy lion-roar of rapture.
* * *
The "Infernal Adorations" are in THE VISION AND THE VOICE too, in "The Cry of the 2nd AEthyr which is Called Arn"...Free of Copyright
(you can find this and the other misdeeds at (Metareligions.com)
enjoy
"glad i don't do this false designs like a neophyte anymore"
 | Others Words in the Ways | by Luxas for everyone |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Svein"
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:12:43 -0000
To: WiccansAndWitchesInLondon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WWL] Re: Why are so many people against witchcraft...?
--- In WiccansAndWitchesInLondon@yahoogroups.com, "kestrel_huntress"
wrote:
> Why is it that so many people are against witchcraft?
Why are people so anti-Islam or Anti-Christianity... mostly
ignorance. Don't fret about it. The wonderful thing about freedom
is that it is just that... FREEDOM to do, or believe anything you
want.
> My grandmother
> thinks its a load of rubbish - her words, not mine - and she
> does 'healing' - reki, which in essence is the same thing, no?
Not really... My mother reads palms and doesn't believe in
witchcraft. Just because someone believes in divination, spiritual
mediums or laying on of hands does not automatically make them pre-
disposed to believe in Witchcraft as well.
> Well,
> some of it is the same anyway... just without really casting
spells.
Witchcraft is far more than "casting spells". IMO, spell casting is
a very small part of Witchcraft, and not the most important.
Honouring the Gods and the Seasons, for me at least, is far more
important than spellwork.
> As a practicing witch i find this really irratating, and i'm sure
> others do as well -
Actually, I think you'll find the majority of serious witches
couldn't really care less what others think about them. At least
what people outside of their peer group thinks about them. Worry
less about the thoughts and actions of others and more about your
own...
> I have to use magic only when my family arn't
> around, and most of my friends arn't either... there are some
people
> in my group of friends who do do witchcraft so they're cool with
it,
Unless you are specifically working with a group, then I see no
reason to "use magic" while others are around. Surely, you would
want no distractions and to work magick in a properly prepared
space. How could you do this with others around?
> but can anyone tell me WHY so many people think right back to the
> burning days when they hear the word 'witchcraft'?
Put down the Starhawk and step away from the myths. There was
no "burning times", despite what Ms. Starhawk or even GBG may have
said. As much as it may suck, I think you need to accept that the
world is full of ignorant people and you can either waste time
worrying about them or just simply get on with your life... I,
personally, choose the latter as much as I can.
Svein I want to clap my hands and give a shout out to the person who wrote this note, and the others that known of its factual design,
"Witch craft" The Craft of the Witch, not wiccan, not pagan, not occult Cm (they can be connected as all magick truly is at one point or another..but each have their own methodology...)
Witchcraft if anything has been downplayed , rewritten, mis-shared. and even destroyed in parts..all because (the ones who did the research did more in the idea of it then the nature, that nature that makes witchcraft so difficult to erase, and had for wicca to claim full title to...(the modern witch i would welcome over a thousand times, if they came without the new eyes they claim give them old sights).....
Experiences are the best Teachers but so are the roles one must endure to Own what they are...
Being a wizard (not potter or gandolf like) but in the same mysteries...all things have patterns and in that they must teach about the self...(understanding as i learned is a 3 way street, a four lane highway and only after 6pm can you use the carpool lane,) or is it as simple as a crosswalk with no lights.......
All i know is when it adds up it is very clear, and when it doesn't i want to know why and how it can....
Solving wicca is easy, drop the religion and say its a way of life... Solving witchery, still working on that...
Wizard Luxas Aureaum (HeadMaster of the A.G.W)
(Omnicron Advanta Magiester)
If you went by occult title (I out rank crowley) by 7 years... if he wasn't attacked by his dragon he would have learned what i teach now...thanks to my Teachers....
(I didn't fall for the pyrite he did) I tasted the gold as most magiesters must....(otherwise well.....ask crowley)
From: "Svein"
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:12:43 -0000
To: WiccansAndWitchesInLondon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WWL] Re: Why are so many people against witchcraft...?
--- In WiccansAndWitchesInLondon@yahoogroups.com, "kestrel_huntress"
wrote:
> Why is it that so many people are against witchcraft?
Why are people so anti-Islam or Anti-Christianity... mostly
ignorance. Don't fret about it. The wonderful thing about freedom
is that it is just that... FREEDOM to do, or believe anything you
want.
> My grandmother
> thinks its a load of rubbish - her words, not mine - and she
> does 'healing' - reki, which in essence is the same thing, no?
Not really... My mother reads palms and doesn't believe in
witchcraft. Just because someone believes in divination, spiritual
mediums or laying on of hands does not automatically make them pre-
disposed to believe in Witchcraft as well.
> Well,
> some of it is the same anyway... just without really casting
spells.
Witchcraft is far more than "casting spells". IMO, spell casting is
a very small part of Witchcraft, and not the most important.
Honouring the Gods and the Seasons, for me at least, is far more
important than spellwork.
> As a practicing witch i find this really irratating, and i'm sure
> others do as well -
Actually, I think you'll find the majority of serious witches
couldn't really care less what others think about them. At least
what people outside of their peer group thinks about them. Worry
less about the thoughts and actions of others and more about your
own...
> I have to use magic only when my family arn't
> around, and most of my friends arn't either... there are some
people
> in my group of friends who do do witchcraft so they're cool with
it,
Unless you are specifically working with a group, then I see no
reason to "use magic" while others are around. Surely, you would
want no distractions and to work magick in a properly prepared
space. How could you do this with others around?
> but can anyone tell me WHY so many people think right back to the
> burning days when they hear the word 'witchcraft'?
Put down the Starhawk and step away from the myths. There was
no "burning times", despite what Ms. Starhawk or even GBG may have
said. As much as it may suck, I think you need to accept that the
world is full of ignorant people and you can either waste time
worrying about them or just simply get on with your life... I,
personally, choose the latter as much as I can.
Svein I want to clap my hands and give a shout out to the person who wrote this note, and the others that known of its factual design,
"Witch craft" The Craft of the Witch, not wiccan, not pagan, not occult Cm (they can be connected as all magick truly is at one point or another..but each have their own methodology...)
Witchcraft if anything has been downplayed , rewritten, mis-shared. and even destroyed in parts..all because (the ones who did the research did more in the idea of it then the nature, that nature that makes witchcraft so difficult to erase, and had for wicca to claim full title to...(the modern witch i would welcome over a thousand times, if they came without the new eyes they claim give them old sights).....
Experiences are the best Teachers but so are the roles one must endure to Own what they are...
Being a wizard (not potter or gandolf like) but in the same mysteries...all things have patterns and in that they must teach about the self...(understanding as i learned is a 3 way street, a four lane highway and only after 6pm can you use the carpool lane,) or is it as simple as a crosswalk with no lights.......
All i know is when it adds up it is very clear, and when it doesn't i want to know why and how it can....
Solving wicca is easy, drop the religion and say its a way of life... Solving witchery, still working on that...
Wizard Luxas Aureaum (HeadMaster of the A.G.W)
(Omnicron Advanta Magiester)
If you went by occult title (I out rank crowley) by 7 years... if he wasn't attacked by his dragon he would have learned what i teach now...thanks to my Teachers....
(I didn't fall for the pyrite he did) I tasted the gold as most magiesters must....(otherwise well.....ask crowley)
| Magick's greater design then mere personal will | by Luxas for everyone |
O ya one more thing can you honestly tell me how and why magick is here in the first place :
Magick has been about since the begining of known awareness of thought, as to why it is here: well as any energy grows it changes and transforms but magick being a more generalized ionic energy it is bridging as in (able to touch on other energies and re-deveolp them,.... many beginners think that the skill of magickal energy comes from the personal skills or spiritual actions of others but that is a very little if not incorrect form of personal design, not magicks grand design or patterns...
(as my teachers say you have to actually do magick to understand what it truely does..) and for those that claim i don't believe in magick...they will forever be looking over their shoulders...at those that use it....because they wish to deny the building is falling and stay in the building..so let them, when it falls just say....See
(The Extent of the mysteries in magick as well as magickal design are in the millions)
but i rather see the building fall, then have it fall on me....lol
Magick has been about since the begining of known awareness of thought, as to why it is here: well as any energy grows it changes and transforms but magick being a more generalized ionic energy it is bridging as in (able to touch on other energies and re-deveolp them,.... many beginners think that the skill of magickal energy comes from the personal skills or spiritual actions of others but that is a very little if not incorrect form of personal design, not magicks grand design or patterns...
(as my teachers say you have to actually do magick to understand what it truely does..) and for those that claim i don't believe in magick...they will forever be looking over their shoulders...at those that use it....because they wish to deny the building is falling and stay in the building..so let them, when it falls just say....See
(The Extent of the mysteries in magick as well as magickal design are in the millions)
but i rather see the building fall, then have it fall on me....lol
Wouldn't you?
| Update time again: | by Luxas for everyone |
Any
who have get all messages in their mail: listing is welcome to stay,
your profile is welcome to stay...you will find that some of your
memberships have been cancelled due to not being a current member in
your mail listing...sorry but only the serious or seeking will remain,
If you want into the Dawn, you got to stay REAL, otherwise, have fun....in another place your not welcomed here....
This
groupwas designed as a Door to the Wizarding Order/Academy, the only
one in this State as well as Perhaps the World,...there are plenty of
roleplaying sites and mixed esoteric culture and pagan groups, voodoo
and occult and A.A and Oto re-mixes and even Goldendawn reformings....
but if they was so up there on the Magickal scale and wisdom then why
are they more pagan then occult...?
Sign of the Times.....Thelemic....lol
Thelemic is the new paganism of the occult tools and ceremonial design, and Crowley had the honor of bringing it to bear....
Reformed or not, its more Shemhemphorah then (Mylix ain adoph Sephorathothus) and more kan then kempha....
But well the rare is rare.... (metron or minerva)
aton, de-mon, or omegan, the pattern is Evident
the 5 is 6 and the 4 is 2 hope that helps: numerology counts or your just a 7
| Got to love the little people.... | by Luxas for everyone |
If
wizardry was just research and doing magick, then it wouldn't be a such
sought out for field of study....because anyone can give a value to a
thing it is when you find that pattern to the universal that one begins
to learn the secrets....(yes and they are secret)
come
might copy my list of subjected dealing in the design to wizardry and
try and (cheat) by forming their own theology and wisdom based on
it...."well then you fell for the oldest trap in the book" (its called
common knowledge sharing....) only as a Mage or magus in our design will
you find the real insight...
The cool thing
that makes wizards so grand is we put the insight and wisdom in front of
your very nose and you still only see nothing...or bits....(why?) we
think and know this for a fact that it is because you haven't developed
the wizards (mindset) "Thinking"
While your on
chapter one we are 3 or 5 pages ahead of you, while your in the present
we are seeing your future and your past, if your in your past then we
see your present mind....
Such is the way of us wizards, and you can't bookshelf it or place it in a bottle or share it openly in conversation,
So to those of you that cheated "congrads" you just proved in 10 years you might be more ready to listen.....
(to
you that wait and play in our field, we will know who you are and what
your about.....and then your just another piece of wisdom we attained,
and then removed.......(for higher insight)
Because
as a Magickal person having philosophy is only like living in a bad
dream sooner or later you will have to check your reality, and stop
hiding behind your spiritual religionism,
Because thats how the Kights of the Templar started, and we know where that wisdom ended.....
So enjoy the reality of being in a mages domain, and learn what being a "real" Occult Master Adept is all about....
Owner
| All these minds and still no wizardry | by Luxas for everyone |
after reading the very well reseached ideals of this the new so called "wizarding book" which it isn't...
If you wanted a plethora of information with no real basis beyond the mere beginner....
(this is the book)
I got a copy for the lovely pictures, the insight however just a minor disa-pointment.....
and then this so called saying "There is no real wizarding, and they formed a form of grey council....lol"
Sorry but this book could only Apprentice my youngest students...
(perhaps because of the harry potter fasination, this book was formed)
the
book does tell of all the so called "others" who was and are in the
magickal world, however they do alot of assuming and borish mis-leading
word chaining, and that saddly makes less of this book...as an source of
wisdom, other then (personal theory)
If they
only knew wizardry, they wouldn't have said such beginner
stuff,.................(glad i had the guidance i got, otherwise i might
have fell for this as educated mastery)
"but you get what you view in that book i feel"
Owner (now verified as the only Wizarding Schooling in the Usa....cool)
| High Priestess GhoulWitch | by ghoulwitchunitedstates for everyone |
| If your interested in being a member of an occult order | by Luxas for everyone |
The
Agw, has now placed an application for individuals that are more then
just words, that seek the true magickal occult and mystickal
designs....as a member in good standing in their order...
and the rewards it brings, as the only real order of occult magick in the USA.....
now the next step is yours...
goto the documents list and download a copy.....
application.doc (is the file)
Owner
| If you seek a mentor or teacher? what you should know... | by Luxas for everyone |
We
can learn about magick in a variety of different ways. For most of us
reading books is probably the primary source because of fear or
betrayal. Other routes to learning include correspondence courses,
workshops, receiving instruction within a group, and entering into a
one-to-one relationship with a teacher/mentor.
When information on magick was relatively scarce, teachers/mentors begin to be in much demand as keepers of knowledge that was otherwise hard to come by. Nowadays, of course, this is even more the case, due to the plethora of occult books, magazines, CD-Roms and the World Wide Web.
In fact, some would argue that on this basis, there is more need for individuals to seek out teachers/mentors when information on valid magickal techniques and practices are (limiting) and Occult "independants" become more widely available. There is also a recurrent discussion over how many self-styled ecletics, spiritual masters, and gurus are only concerned with boosting their own egos at the expense of their students, and f..ing around true seekers (often literally!).
There is a great deal of suspicion directed at individuals who appear to want others to perceive them as "Educated" Occult teachers.
Having said this, occult contact sheet rings to the plethora of people who are looking for teachers/mentors need to understand the "Rules". Why? One factor, which needs to be understood are the general beliefs concerning initiation...which all forms of "real" magickal arts have.
Many books which deal with Western forms of magick hint, to varying degrees, that to attain magickal proficiency, the student needs to find a proficient teacher/mentor: someone who will initiate him/her into ‘the mysteries.’ In some circles, there are a measure of status ascribed around whether a person is initiated by a recognised teacher/mentor, or merely self-initiated, that is to say, self-taught.
I understand that as the degree design is setup during my stint in a Wiccan class coven, that the elders would occasionally refer to one person or another as self-initiated (solitaries): the implication being that these self-initiates were something of second-class citizens in comparison to people who had been initiated into a coven. The idea still persists that to be a ‘proper’ magi, witch or shaman, you have to have been initiated by someone else or have studied under a master (privately or group).
Related to this is the popularity of non-western esoteric systems, be they from the Orient, Asia or the Americas. When one looks at the pseudo-ethnic magickal systems such as the various brands of shamanic practice, the pan-African traditions or the various Oriental esoteric systems, the link between personal progression and being initiated/finding a guide becomes even more explicit.
What should be remembered here is that in the cultures from which these systems are drawn, attitudes to esotericism have become "labels of right", teachers/mentors, etc., may well be marked differently from western perceptional designs the modern guru. Modern Magickal Designs, in their zeal to appropriate non-western (industrial) magickal systems, may well forget or overlook the background culture and education required in which these systems as they are rooted to the loss of the future pupil.
Where rebellion "re-claiming" against the previous generation has become the normality (i.e., the move towards individualism) is a far cry from the stronger cultural imperative than obedience and veneration for one’s elders...
The relationship between teacher and the student's magickal design is important, as many contemporary occultists are seeking a strong relationship with a sense of ancient workings/tradition, a feeling of continuance between modern practice and what the ancients did. It should also be recognized that teachers/mentors can be something more than keepers of knowledge. In our information-rich culture, the role of the teacher/mentor shifts from someone who doles out knowledge to someone who may be able to help us steer a path through that information by helping us to sort out what is relevant for us, and how to make it meaningful to our lives. For which they themselves traveled as you may chosen to undertake by asking for direction.
Remember an elder magick user, educator, or teacher often share in things that aren't normally available in books, which is largely all any beginner had to go on. On occasion, they may as beginners dole out some tale of how they might be or was involved with things of the soul and was under attack by demons that they summoned or was cursed with. Which they may have been told by been told by the leaders of the group they joined or was connected to but with them again they seek guidance (beause of fear or doubt in knowing if it was real or not).
It is this kind of relationship which makes a teacher valuable to the learning magick user and is vastly different then the popular view of magickal teachers as individuals who, by virtue of their ‘Higher Initiation’ have a license to spout pretentious bull in return for adulation and slavish obedience of the ones whom they offer lessons....
Those of seeking nature who even now have been immersed in magickal activity for a number of years sometimes forget, (that until they are apart of the big picture they are still seeking to know) and, I remember, how weird it felt to be taking one’s first steps into the magickal world of learning and then practicing it....
It’s fairly understandable that when they find themselves moving in a direction which is new and relatively unknown, they can want to look for others who can assist them, and magick is no exception to this. Feelings of uncertainty and risk are considerably diminished when they have someone they know that they can turn to for encouragement and help along the way, particularly if things get sticky or strange.
Handling uncertainty is different for everybody. There is likely to be a marked difference between someone who’s only contact with the occult world has been to read a few books, then from those that gained the conviction that they need to find a teacher, and ovious individual who’s opinions on the subject of teachers/mentors and magick as a whole has been widened by contact with the occult elitist, through magazines, discussion groups or the internet. So in general, It is best to form a serious learning relationship, providing of course, that all parties concerned are aware of what the relationship is required and what is going on as far as the teacher/mentor they seek to be of benefit. In order to clarify these issues, I will explore the role of the Mentor/Teacher.
The word "Mentor" though listed originates in Homer's Odyessy. Mentor was the teacher of Telemachus, the son of Odyesseus. The Mentor-figure is a key image in Greek Myth, seen for example in the initiatory relationship between Achilles and the Centaur Chiron, and over the ages, the word Mentor has become synonymous with friend, trusted adviser, guide, counsellor, teacher and initiator.
There are also numerous examples of Mentor/Teacher relationships in history, such as Freud and Jung, Socrates and Plato, and perhaps even in the Magus designs..What is special about the Mentor/Teacher? The original Mentor's task was not just to raise and educate Telemachus, but to prepare and develop him for the responsibilities he would have to face as the heir to a kingdom. A Mentor/Teacher is someone who offers knowledge, insight or perspective that is especially useful to the other person/magick user.
The essence of Mentoring/Teaching is difficult to pin down as it is part intuition...part learned Education, part feelings, arises out of the given moment, and is composed of whatever materials are at hand. Mentoring/Teaching requires the capacity to be flexible. The Mentoring relationship is one which leaps beyond other formal relationships. Helping someone cope with a personal problem is not necessarily Mentoring/Teaching.
But even a casual remark, if it sparks a new understanding or perspective on a problem, revealing previously unknown aspects in a flash, could be considered as Mentoring. Magickal history is replete with examples of such flash illuminations, from the legends of Zen, Tantric and Taoist sages, buddha by the tree, to the meeting between intuited natures in the secrets of sexual-magic or macro dynamics. One of the tasks then, of a magickal Mentor/teacher, is to Illuminate the student. Mentors/Teachers however, act to assist any in the conscious recapitulation of their experiences, so that they the students are no longer blindly squashing by the world into limited basic practices madeup or long past their selling date.
The central focus of Mentoring/Teaching is the empowerment of the student, through the development of his or her abilities. To do this effectively requires that the Mentor to have respects that serve the uniqueness of that person they teach or guide.
We can see the results of dysfunctional teaching when we meet so-called book magick users who appear to be little more than mirror-reflections of their limiting adventures, who lack independent voices and hold the world at bay with their belief-systems which becomes crutches for the feeble, but even broken legs eventually heal.
The tendency to teach "so-called" magick to others as cookbook style, rather than encouraging individuals master their techniques and theories (to fix the holes) so that they are relevant to their immediate life experience, is responsible for much of the blinkered, narrow thinking of many modern occultists and those that are land locked by their "Fears" of experience. They should suspect that this is due to the fact that many modern magick teachers tend to have a position to cling in occult corners that like churches which involves keeping students around them rather than letting them go off and pursue mastery of their own reasons of study.
Some of the best Teachers/Mentors offer the experiences that few can "to this day" can still not find in comparison, and offers to those who view the mentoring process as a learning experience for themselves as well. The idea of ageless wisdom, passed down from Mage/Magiester to Neophyte is an endearing one, but is inaccurate and limiting in a modern world of constant, accelerating change by modern means and "self defining reflective spiritual traps" .
Mentoring/Teaching requires both work and responsibility for both parties in the relationship that is accepted beforehand. It is a partnership between Mentor/Teacher and student, based on the need for the student to share in the mentoring process. The Mentor/Teacher may guide but the Student contributes and gain equally from the relationship.
However, having said this, it must also be recognised that both Students and potential Mentors/Teachers need to be clear about what expectations they bring to this the new relationship (the goal of teaching and being taught). For the relationship to be effective, these expectations must be made explicit. (without restriction)
When information on magick was relatively scarce, teachers/mentors begin to be in much demand as keepers of knowledge that was otherwise hard to come by. Nowadays, of course, this is even more the case, due to the plethora of occult books, magazines, CD-Roms and the World Wide Web.
In fact, some would argue that on this basis, there is more need for individuals to seek out teachers/mentors when information on valid magickal techniques and practices are (limiting) and Occult "independants" become more widely available. There is also a recurrent discussion over how many self-styled ecletics, spiritual masters, and gurus are only concerned with boosting their own egos at the expense of their students, and f..ing around true seekers (often literally!).
There is a great deal of suspicion directed at individuals who appear to want others to perceive them as "Educated" Occult teachers.
Having said this, occult contact sheet rings to the plethora of people who are looking for teachers/mentors need to understand the "Rules". Why? One factor, which needs to be understood are the general beliefs concerning initiation...which all forms of "real" magickal arts have.
Many books which deal with Western forms of magick hint, to varying degrees, that to attain magickal proficiency, the student needs to find a proficient teacher/mentor: someone who will initiate him/her into ‘the mysteries.’ In some circles, there are a measure of status ascribed around whether a person is initiated by a recognised teacher/mentor, or merely self-initiated, that is to say, self-taught.
I understand that as the degree design is setup during my stint in a Wiccan class coven, that the elders would occasionally refer to one person or another as self-initiated (solitaries): the implication being that these self-initiates were something of second-class citizens in comparison to people who had been initiated into a coven. The idea still persists that to be a ‘proper’ magi, witch or shaman, you have to have been initiated by someone else or have studied under a master (privately or group).
Related to this is the popularity of non-western esoteric systems, be they from the Orient, Asia or the Americas. When one looks at the pseudo-ethnic magickal systems such as the various brands of shamanic practice, the pan-African traditions or the various Oriental esoteric systems, the link between personal progression and being initiated/finding a guide becomes even more explicit.
What should be remembered here is that in the cultures from which these systems are drawn, attitudes to esotericism have become "labels of right", teachers/mentors, etc., may well be marked differently from western perceptional designs the modern guru. Modern Magickal Designs, in their zeal to appropriate non-western (industrial) magickal systems, may well forget or overlook the background culture and education required in which these systems as they are rooted to the loss of the future pupil.
Where rebellion "re-claiming" against the previous generation has become the normality (i.e., the move towards individualism) is a far cry from the stronger cultural imperative than obedience and veneration for one’s elders...
The relationship between teacher and the student's magickal design is important, as many contemporary occultists are seeking a strong relationship with a sense of ancient workings/tradition, a feeling of continuance between modern practice and what the ancients did. It should also be recognized that teachers/mentors can be something more than keepers of knowledge. In our information-rich culture, the role of the teacher/mentor shifts from someone who doles out knowledge to someone who may be able to help us steer a path through that information by helping us to sort out what is relevant for us, and how to make it meaningful to our lives. For which they themselves traveled as you may chosen to undertake by asking for direction.
Remember an elder magick user, educator, or teacher often share in things that aren't normally available in books, which is largely all any beginner had to go on. On occasion, they may as beginners dole out some tale of how they might be or was involved with things of the soul and was under attack by demons that they summoned or was cursed with. Which they may have been told by been told by the leaders of the group they joined or was connected to but with them again they seek guidance (beause of fear or doubt in knowing if it was real or not).
It is this kind of relationship which makes a teacher valuable to the learning magick user and is vastly different then the popular view of magickal teachers as individuals who, by virtue of their ‘Higher Initiation’ have a license to spout pretentious bull in return for adulation and slavish obedience of the ones whom they offer lessons....
Those of seeking nature who even now have been immersed in magickal activity for a number of years sometimes forget, (that until they are apart of the big picture they are still seeking to know) and, I remember, how weird it felt to be taking one’s first steps into the magickal world of learning and then practicing it....
It’s fairly understandable that when they find themselves moving in a direction which is new and relatively unknown, they can want to look for others who can assist them, and magick is no exception to this. Feelings of uncertainty and risk are considerably diminished when they have someone they know that they can turn to for encouragement and help along the way, particularly if things get sticky or strange.
Handling uncertainty is different for everybody. There is likely to be a marked difference between someone who’s only contact with the occult world has been to read a few books, then from those that gained the conviction that they need to find a teacher, and ovious individual who’s opinions on the subject of teachers/mentors and magick as a whole has been widened by contact with the occult elitist, through magazines, discussion groups or the internet. So in general, It is best to form a serious learning relationship, providing of course, that all parties concerned are aware of what the relationship is required and what is going on as far as the teacher/mentor they seek to be of benefit. In order to clarify these issues, I will explore the role of the Mentor/Teacher.
The word "Mentor" though listed originates in Homer's Odyessy. Mentor was the teacher of Telemachus, the son of Odyesseus. The Mentor-figure is a key image in Greek Myth, seen for example in the initiatory relationship between Achilles and the Centaur Chiron, and over the ages, the word Mentor has become synonymous with friend, trusted adviser, guide, counsellor, teacher and initiator.
There are also numerous examples of Mentor/Teacher relationships in history, such as Freud and Jung, Socrates and Plato, and perhaps even in the Magus designs..What is special about the Mentor/Teacher? The original Mentor's task was not just to raise and educate Telemachus, but to prepare and develop him for the responsibilities he would have to face as the heir to a kingdom. A Mentor/Teacher is someone who offers knowledge, insight or perspective that is especially useful to the other person/magick user.
The essence of Mentoring/Teaching is difficult to pin down as it is part intuition...part learned Education, part feelings, arises out of the given moment, and is composed of whatever materials are at hand. Mentoring/Teaching requires the capacity to be flexible. The Mentoring relationship is one which leaps beyond other formal relationships. Helping someone cope with a personal problem is not necessarily Mentoring/Teaching.
But even a casual remark, if it sparks a new understanding or perspective on a problem, revealing previously unknown aspects in a flash, could be considered as Mentoring. Magickal history is replete with examples of such flash illuminations, from the legends of Zen, Tantric and Taoist sages, buddha by the tree, to the meeting between intuited natures in the secrets of sexual-magic or macro dynamics. One of the tasks then, of a magickal Mentor/teacher, is to Illuminate the student. Mentors/Teachers however, act to assist any in the conscious recapitulation of their experiences, so that they the students are no longer blindly squashing by the world into limited basic practices madeup or long past their selling date.
The central focus of Mentoring/Teaching is the empowerment of the student, through the development of his or her abilities. To do this effectively requires that the Mentor to have respects that serve the uniqueness of that person they teach or guide.
We can see the results of dysfunctional teaching when we meet so-called book magick users who appear to be little more than mirror-reflections of their limiting adventures, who lack independent voices and hold the world at bay with their belief-systems which becomes crutches for the feeble, but even broken legs eventually heal.
The tendency to teach "so-called" magick to others as cookbook style, rather than encouraging individuals master their techniques and theories (to fix the holes) so that they are relevant to their immediate life experience, is responsible for much of the blinkered, narrow thinking of many modern occultists and those that are land locked by their "Fears" of experience. They should suspect that this is due to the fact that many modern magick teachers tend to have a position to cling in occult corners that like churches which involves keeping students around them rather than letting them go off and pursue mastery of their own reasons of study.
Some of the best Teachers/Mentors offer the experiences that few can "to this day" can still not find in comparison, and offers to those who view the mentoring process as a learning experience for themselves as well. The idea of ageless wisdom, passed down from Mage/Magiester to Neophyte is an endearing one, but is inaccurate and limiting in a modern world of constant, accelerating change by modern means and "self defining reflective spiritual traps" .
Mentoring/Teaching requires both work and responsibility for both parties in the relationship that is accepted beforehand. It is a partnership between Mentor/Teacher and student, based on the need for the student to share in the mentoring process. The Mentor/Teacher may guide but the Student contributes and gain equally from the relationship.
However, having said this, it must also be recognised that both Students and potential Mentors/Teachers need to be clear about what expectations they bring to this the new relationship (the goal of teaching and being taught). For the relationship to be effective, these expectations must be made explicit. (without restriction)
All "Real" Teachers..setup his sort of code (pact or oath) which can be seen as a general agreement, as something which a Mentor/teacher can make explicit at the beginning of a teaching or relationship. There are also more specific agreements, which relate to objectives and goals set between the Student and Teacher, which can be adjusted, periodically evaluated, and are of course subject to change when the process of learning is greater...
A key theme in understanding the value of the mentoring/teaching relationship is that of dealing with change. Change takes place within an ever-shifting personal and social environment. Giving up familiar and comfortable beliefs, behaviour and occasionally relationships tends to be accompanied by a sense of loss. There is also fear of the unknown, or possible failure to contend with. Change is, of course, central to magick. Often, the hardest thing to get to grips with is our resistance to change, or the refusal to admit that we, and our lives need work or, are changing almost on a daily basis.
It should be recognised that change is not instantaneous. The way that many people expect magick to work is, of course, sudden, positive change without any stress or unpleasantness but when you enter the Un-known or un-seen expect that anything might happen. Another important aspect of a Teacher's/Mentor's student is that there is no verying changes other then those that occur in the Arts taught, for the most part...the student is forever a self educator just given more tools...
It is important to bear in mind that the Mentoring/Teacher relationship is one of mutual trust and respect opon the dedication of the "code", which if well-founded will maintain itself despite interpersonal differences and disagreements.
Success, for a Magickal Mentor/Teacher, is watching a student/students come into his or her own power, excelling and mastering areas of magick which the Teacher's own immediate interests and ability have served to harness. This powerful form of bonding should not be under-rated or openly explored, particularly in a discipline... the student seeks to understand, as a given design of (self) disputes over magical differences and personality clashes as Chaotic Magick will show. Teaching requires a bond by which the application of knowledge and ability into ones own unique circumstances or magical designs can be explored and then quantified.
In many ways, finding an effective mentor/teacher is much harder than most to approach then one might expect. (a face-to-face interaction is required), it can’t survive by "do it by letter or e-mail" methodology. Like a friendship most teachers/mentors wish to know you and why you seek, not exactly what you know, that comes as the time of teaching requires, it happens slowly and (drama like).
Also, you need to as a seeker think significantly of the art you seek to be in.., at least in the sense of discussing the technical aspects of the working rituals and practical magick..... but more So don’t fall into the trap of looking for a mentor/teacher in the same way that people already study from books do, and don't seek to have a teacher/mentor just to blance out your own magical theories...because you will have only a blank look as your response...
Saddly the Mentor/Teacher design is rare, and to share in one from the magickal designs...is even more so. So don't try to sell yourself to a teacher/mentor, instead ask yourself why you want to study: if a teacher/mentor is "desired" they will want to know that...
Owner
| Where did Bardon go wrong? | by Luxas for everyone |
Fraternity of Saturn Lodge ( the only occult group of the 1930's )
and even with its (kabbalic designs) still became Zen...
As
Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party ascended to power in the 1930's various
groups such as the O.T.O. and the Freemasons were banned and some of
their members arrested. Otti Votavova avers that Hitler belonged to the
legendary "FOCG" or "99 Lodge" of black magick, described in Frabato The
Magician and Fire And Ice (see the bibliography). Apart from this,
Hitler and some of his intimate friends were supposed to be members of
the "Thule Order," which was the external instrument of a group of
powerful Tibetan black magicians.
fluid essenses as electrical energy was a correct move in the idea of dealing withthe universal magnetics and magickal designs,
however
balancing the poles idea is way off.....(that is the yan/yin thing) and
saddly this faddish occult great...but not a mage or magus... (needed
teaching more)....
The modern version of this Strut-construction, of Saturn as well, needs a lesson in the idea of more then witchery...
I'm happy to report, will like about 6 more years of study, they might actually get somewhere close to mage or magus...
"Bardon"
and the "workings" of the saturni....would be in my shaman
class....(norse listing this old greecian theology/magickal school is
doing more harm then good...)
"but the use the rede as well, so they don't care....."
Goodluck....though.....
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Answers:
(Quotes from "What am i going to get for all that money?"
-topic)
-topic)
1. "all 15 books<...>" : real books or copies/prints?
Reply (each
book is a paperback, and a copy of the orginal books of my library
(turned into a course with abit more open explaination into our
art.....)
2. " <...>(each book given to you every
month...)" :does this mean that I will only recieve one book the first
time, and another for each month that passes?
Reply (correct, and your starting talisman as a member of the occult study)
3. "At graduation into the Wizardry Class<...>" : how
Reply
(if you pass the questionare offered after you recieved all 15 books,
and had time to review,) i decide the time of the test....(and there are
3 graduation points, ) one completeness of courses, Student of the
arts, and mage sygil given... and the third :adept mage with offer to
join the Order, (a scroll is sent) and your mage sygil and a gift.....
When will graduation take place? (depends on the student)
Other questions
4. I am from a far away area. Will this inflict with the course sent to me? (no)
Other questions
4. I am from a far away area. Will this inflict with the course sent to me? (no)
5. I am pretty much a newbeginner in occult/magick, should I order
this at once or get some experience first?
this at once or get some experience first?
Reply
(both) but my course is designed to turn a beginner into a junior or
senior adept...or adept mage or Magiester..(study and tools)
6. Are you the author of these books?
Reply
(Yes, developed 7 years ago and only displayed about 3 years ago
in limited form...with the help of my 24+ years in the occult and
magickal world as well as the teachings of my Wizard Teacher.....)
7. Are there many wizards in the world now?
Reply
(7) but of them 3-4 are real....(we wizard's are rare...most mages or
adepts in the open occult orders are more "title wizard" then are
skilled in "wizarding works".....
8. Do you got many students?
Reply
(serveral) and more on my waiting list, but i have others pissed at me
because the course doesn't cost the price of a cheap magick
book.....(when they get over their ignorance they will want in as well)
and i will say....the same thing my teacher does when i argued.......
(go make me some tea and clean my shelf) lol....
So get in while you can otherwise, see you in a few years.....
Owner....
| The Inner Ring and the Outer...Ring, in magical doors | by Luxas for everyone |
The 3 candles of power : Red, Black, and White,
(all to see the inner energy of the Cm beginner)
the
principle of the outer, the power to seek beyong the mere veil of the
body, and how you achieve this, those that haven't learned this needs to
remodel their score cards.....lol
Good luck Mages to be.....
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England is about to un-veil the next powerpuff harry putter film,
"wouldn't it be more exciting if you could read the film and know what they don't"........Study magick now, and save yourself from the fluff.....(cool book turned move-i)...lol
"wouldn't it be more exciting if you could read the film and know what they don't"........Study magick now, and save yourself from the fluff.....(cool book turned move-i)...lol
(enjoy the movie, but study for the reality)
z z Ecletic need not apply....
Theres a test after, yeah you the one with the finger.....yeah..u...
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Have
at your Lord of the Rings Fix.....but remember it is only a book a
story and a fantasy like hopeful, and i love the ideals of the Lotr as
well....but they aren't "wizarding like wisdom"
So have your fun, but know its not so......
The Istari 
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I've been lookig about my enterance site, here at the Dawn, and i see that none of have yet to sign the members board.....
If you wish to support this site and continue to be allowed in and have the tools given and exchanged in the timely fashions....
I request you drop in a name and abit about yourself, so me and the one whom i had the pleasure to work with aren't so lonly....
"To honor what you are" or "seek to be......
Owner.....
| The Shaman's Heart | by Luxas for everyone |
As my shaman teacher told me,
Your
not born a shaman, your made a shaman by your learning, though you may
tap the line of shamanism, it is no substitute for the discovery of what
it is to have the sacred fires and freedoms, shamanism may be the line
or word in the discovery of the healing wise but its road is not
onesided nore is it tainted by the mysteries of its own skills, meaning
that a shaman can only be shamantic when they have seen all paths and
touched on all the stones, felt all the hearts, summoned and served all
the winds, and shared in all the wisdom of the totem, only then can the
nature of a shamans design begin to take shape....
until then your only a message and not the messenger....
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Wz [5:43 AM]: but thats TV for you again...
Ai [5:43 AM]: LOL, yup yup
Wz [5:43 AM]: now spike want dru back
Ai [5:44 AM]: wow wow, they killed her, didn't they?
Wz [5:44 AM]: i try and make tv time for the cool episodes, the rest suck
Wz [5:44 AM]: no,
Ai [5:44 AM]: hehe, ok, I need to start watching the Buffy reruns again
Ai [5:45 AM]: And the Angel episodes
Wz [5:45 AM]: she left spike to be with a chao's demon in mexico
Wz [5:46 AM]: so spike was going to have willow create a potion for him to win her back
Wz [5:46 AM]: but then opted for just taking her by force
Ai [5:46 AM]: LMAO, I can't imagine that. "Huny, we need to get a devorice." "Why?" "Well, you see that demon across the street? He's...well, he's cuter and fuzzier then you. Plus, he's better in bed."
Ai[5:46 AM]: LOL, only vampires would think like that
Wz [5:47 AM]: slimy and with antlers..lol
Ai [5:47 AM]: LMAO, yup yup
Wz [5:47 AM]: they made him into the ghostpusters slimer and pan...
Ai [5:47 AM]: hehe
Wz [5:48 AM]: the demons and symbols they are making and naming are fake
Ai [5:49 AM]: of course
Wz [5:49 AM]: but most idiots are bying into gils having the actual books..lol
Ai [5:49 AM]: You wouldn't expect them to say vampires stole energy instead of blood, would you?
Wz [5:49 AM]: vampires don't
Wz [5:50 AM]: mad sad his fake as well
Ai [5:50 AM]: Or that dragons are just astral plane beasts
Wz [5:50 AM]: etherial.....not astral
Ai [5:50 AM]: LOL, sorry, my bad
Wz [5:50 AM]: mad sad house..oops
Wz [5:51 AM]: don is an ann rice puppet with abit of psychic energy
Ai [5:51 AM]: don?
Wz [5:51 AM]: Mad Mad house, vampire person
Ai [5:52 AM]: ohh, him
Ai [5:52 AM]: never watched the show
Wz [5:52 AM]: if you did you would see funny stero types
Ai [5:53 AM]: lol, I don't get TNT or whatever
Wz [5:53 AM]: its sci fi.channel
Ai [5:53 AM]: oh
Ai [5:53 AM]: well, i don't get that either!
Wz [5:53 AM]: good
Ai [5:54 AM]: good?
Wz [5:54 AM]: as for myself, i been typing what was stupid about the show and what is real...
Wzdrylmaster1 [5:54 AM]: yeah...because then you need not see the stupid stuff they do
Ai [5:55 AM]: LOL
Ai [5:55 AM]: like what?
Wz [5:56 AM]: fiona is the resident wiccan playing witch, and when don does his vampy ritual she can't control her smile she become possessed
Wz [5:56 AM]: and she doesn't know why
Ai [5:56 AM]: ...
Ai [5:56 AM]: LOL, possessed, eh?
Ai [5:56 AM]: as in Exercist style?
Wz [5:57 AM]: if you say your something, when it comes to the truth it comes out..lol
Wz [5:57 AM]: yes....
Wz [5:58 AM]: she invoked into her in a play ritual the dark goddess and then pretended to be her, and at the ritual, the dark goddess took over..lol
Ai [5:58 AM]: LOL
Wz [5:58 AM]: For Real
Ai [5:59 AM]: if there is one thing i have learned in my life, it's NEVER piss off a god/goddess
Wz [6:00 AM]: the other thing i noticed is most of the naturalist go naked and here she says she has no poblem with nudity but then wears a bikini while others are naked...
Wz [6:00 AM]: lol...true that...
Ai [6:00 AM]: LOL
Ai [6:00 AM]: was she even wearing the right clothes for the ritual?
Wz [6:01 AM]: she claims to understand witch but is played evertime she talks to another in the house
Wz [6:01 AM]: no....
Ai [6:01 AM]: I mean, a bikini isn't exactly tradional ritual clothing
Ai [6:01 AM]: lol
Wz [6:02 AM]: no the bikini was for the poolside
Ai [6:02 AM]: i perform mine skyclad unless i can't
Ai [6:02 AM]: ahh
Wz [6:02 AM]: the clothing she was wearing was more a gypsy black with shaw and high boots
Ai [6:03 AM]: boots? geesh
Wz [6:03 AM]: yeah...
Ai [6:03 AM]: she knows nothing, does she?
Wz [6:03 AM]: a real fashion hog
Ai [6:03 AM]: lol
Wz [6:03 AM]: she has the power but a brain to use it i doubt...
Aidean3618 [6:03 AM]: lol
Wz [6:04 AM]: my favorite was the voodon priestess
Ai [6:04 AM]: that is the problem with us, isn't it? We have not the wits to use properly our gifts
Wz [6:04 AM]: she was holding her stick protecting herself from dons ritual...lol
Ai [6:05 AM]: LMAO
Ai [6:05 AM]: never heard of a staff-ward
Wz [6:05 AM]: is in voodoo and she can't protect herself with the energies and they welcome de lubra
Ai [6:05 AM]: I myself use a staff to FIGHT, and a knife, of course...
Wz [6:05 AM]: the darkness
Ai [6:05 AM]: ahhhhh
Wz [6:06 AM]: she was cowering like a child
Ai [6:06 AM]: I welcome the darkness my self. Infact, I invite it to go out my door anytime, LOL.
Wz [6:07 AM]: lol
Ai [6:07 AM]: geesh, she couldn't have been THAT afraid, could she?
Wz [6:07 AM]: you have a long way to go, if you wish to vist my doorstep
Wz [6:07 AM]: more then that...lol
Ai [6:07 AM]: how do you mean?
Wz [6:07 AM]: she was very fearful
Ai [6:08 AM]: i meant the, "you have a long way to go, if you wish to vist my doorstep" bit
Wzdrylmaster1 [6:08 AM]: they are just icons to sell the show none have any realaity to them, but i find that reality is them..lol
Ai [6:08 AM]: lol
Ai [6:09 AM]: everything in TV is an icon, there is no real truth
Wz [6:09 AM]: If your ready to study with me, you need to understand more and see farther then your martial
Wz [6:09 AM]: but in magick, you ask it to be so it will become so
Ai [6:09 AM]: Unless you're watching a very boring documentary
Ai [6:10 AM]: ahh
Ai [6:11 AM]: I don't understand your comment, but if I assume correctly, that was the point?
Wz [6:13 AM]: yes
Ai [6:13 AM]: well, that's refreshing. It gets boring if you think you know everything, doesn't it? :)
Wz [6:14 AM]: yeah
Ai [6:16 AM]: And yes, you are right. I am young and have alot to learn, but I think I have finally learned to admit thus, at least.
Wz [6:19 AM]: good then you might one day be humble enought to be ready for the gates
Ai [6:20 AM]: the gates?
Wz [6:20 AM]: i had to be...otherwise i wouldn't have been let in...
Wz [6:21 AM]: in the soul there are 5 gates out of the soul there are 3 and to master them all you must merge with the 4 and the 2 that you pass
Wz [6:22 AM]: the five are the spirits true gifts and sights, the 3 are the secrets of time and space, the 4 are the natured wills of this time and space, then the two is the dual universal designs of being....
Wz [6:23 AM]: after that your ready for the complex stuff
Ai [6:23 AM]: LOL
Ai [6:23 AM]: i should hope you're joking!
Ai [6:23 AM]: If that is not complex, what is?
Wz [6:24 AM]: if i would be i would have said LoL
Ai [6:24 AM]: NO! Don't tell me, I don't want to know!!!!
Ai [6:24 AM]: well, like you said, I have a long way to go still.
Wz [6:24 AM]: and thats just to be a mage
Wz [6:25 AM]: finding the loopholes and the congestional theories in them is the sage, then you get to the real wisdom...
Ai [6:26 AM]: Well, it does look like I have EVERYTHING to learn, heh.
Wz [6:27 AM]: being a wizard isn't about wisdom or self wisdom, its about the patterning from which the wisdom is created and the magick that is achieved
Ai[6:29 AM]: so...it is what makes wisdom, but i'm guessing you don't mean intellect?
Wz [6:29 AM]: correct
Wz [6:30 AM]: intellect or intellectual is just the basic idea that one can become aquainted with this wisdom but not understand its basic or agust nature
Wz [6:31 AM]: to know is not just to act or have
Wz [6:31 AM]: philosophy is pale in the art of true insight
Ai [6:32 AM]: i'll tell ya what, I'm going to copy and paste this to Word Processor, and i'll go re-read it another time, maybe with the aid of everyone i know...LOL
Wz [6:32 AM]: lol, it is welcomed to do so...
Ai [6:33 AM]: and maybe when I think I have any chance to understand it
Wz [6:33 AM]: u understand, it its just a mountian of information thats all
Ai [5:43 AM]: LOL, yup yup
Wz [5:43 AM]: now spike want dru back
Ai [5:44 AM]: wow wow, they killed her, didn't they?
Wz [5:44 AM]: i try and make tv time for the cool episodes, the rest suck
Wz [5:44 AM]: no,
Ai [5:44 AM]: hehe, ok, I need to start watching the Buffy reruns again
Ai [5:45 AM]: And the Angel episodes
Wz [5:45 AM]: she left spike to be with a chao's demon in mexico
Wz [5:46 AM]: so spike was going to have willow create a potion for him to win her back
Wz [5:46 AM]: but then opted for just taking her by force
Ai [5:46 AM]: LMAO, I can't imagine that. "Huny, we need to get a devorice." "Why?" "Well, you see that demon across the street? He's...well, he's cuter and fuzzier then you. Plus, he's better in bed."
Ai[5:46 AM]: LOL, only vampires would think like that
Wz [5:47 AM]: slimy and with antlers..lol
Ai [5:47 AM]: LMAO, yup yup
Wz [5:47 AM]: they made him into the ghostpusters slimer and pan...
Ai [5:47 AM]: hehe
Wz [5:48 AM]: the demons and symbols they are making and naming are fake
Ai [5:49 AM]: of course
Wz [5:49 AM]: but most idiots are bying into gils having the actual books..lol
Ai [5:49 AM]: You wouldn't expect them to say vampires stole energy instead of blood, would you?
Wz [5:49 AM]: vampires don't
Wz [5:50 AM]: mad sad his fake as well
Ai [5:50 AM]: Or that dragons are just astral plane beasts
Wz [5:50 AM]: etherial.....not astral
Ai [5:50 AM]: LOL, sorry, my bad
Wz [5:50 AM]: mad sad house..oops
Wz [5:51 AM]: don is an ann rice puppet with abit of psychic energy
Ai [5:51 AM]: don?
Wz [5:51 AM]: Mad Mad house, vampire person
Ai [5:52 AM]: ohh, him
Ai [5:52 AM]: never watched the show
Wz [5:52 AM]: if you did you would see funny stero types
Ai [5:53 AM]: lol, I don't get TNT or whatever
Wz [5:53 AM]: its sci fi.channel
Ai [5:53 AM]: oh
Ai [5:53 AM]: well, i don't get that either!
Wz [5:53 AM]: good
Ai [5:54 AM]: good?
Wz [5:54 AM]: as for myself, i been typing what was stupid about the show and what is real...
Wzdrylmaster1 [5:54 AM]: yeah...because then you need not see the stupid stuff they do
Ai [5:55 AM]: LOL
Ai [5:55 AM]: like what?
Wz [5:56 AM]: fiona is the resident wiccan playing witch, and when don does his vampy ritual she can't control her smile she become possessed
Wz [5:56 AM]: and she doesn't know why
Ai [5:56 AM]: ...
Ai [5:56 AM]: LOL, possessed, eh?
Ai [5:56 AM]: as in Exercist style?
Wz [5:57 AM]: if you say your something, when it comes to the truth it comes out..lol
Wz [5:57 AM]: yes....
Wz [5:58 AM]: she invoked into her in a play ritual the dark goddess and then pretended to be her, and at the ritual, the dark goddess took over..lol
Ai [5:58 AM]: LOL
Wz [5:58 AM]: For Real
Ai [5:59 AM]: if there is one thing i have learned in my life, it's NEVER piss off a god/goddess
Wz [6:00 AM]: the other thing i noticed is most of the naturalist go naked and here she says she has no poblem with nudity but then wears a bikini while others are naked...
Wz [6:00 AM]: lol...true that...
Ai [6:00 AM]: LOL
Ai [6:00 AM]: was she even wearing the right clothes for the ritual?
Wz [6:01 AM]: she claims to understand witch but is played evertime she talks to another in the house
Wz [6:01 AM]: no....
Ai [6:01 AM]: I mean, a bikini isn't exactly tradional ritual clothing
Ai [6:01 AM]: lol
Wz [6:02 AM]: no the bikini was for the poolside
Ai [6:02 AM]: i perform mine skyclad unless i can't
Ai [6:02 AM]: ahh
Wz [6:02 AM]: the clothing she was wearing was more a gypsy black with shaw and high boots
Ai [6:03 AM]: boots? geesh
Wz [6:03 AM]: yeah...
Ai [6:03 AM]: she knows nothing, does she?
Wz [6:03 AM]: a real fashion hog
Ai [6:03 AM]: lol
Wz [6:03 AM]: she has the power but a brain to use it i doubt...
Aidean3618 [6:03 AM]: lol
Wz [6:04 AM]: my favorite was the voodon priestess
Ai [6:04 AM]: that is the problem with us, isn't it? We have not the wits to use properly our gifts
Wz [6:04 AM]: she was holding her stick protecting herself from dons ritual...lol
Ai [6:05 AM]: LMAO
Ai [6:05 AM]: never heard of a staff-ward
Wz [6:05 AM]: is in voodoo and she can't protect herself with the energies and they welcome de lubra
Ai [6:05 AM]: I myself use a staff to FIGHT, and a knife, of course...
Wz [6:05 AM]: the darkness
Ai [6:05 AM]: ahhhhh
Wz [6:06 AM]: she was cowering like a child
Ai [6:06 AM]: I welcome the darkness my self. Infact, I invite it to go out my door anytime, LOL.
Wz [6:07 AM]: lol
Ai [6:07 AM]: geesh, she couldn't have been THAT afraid, could she?
Wz [6:07 AM]: you have a long way to go, if you wish to vist my doorstep
Wz [6:07 AM]: more then that...lol
Ai [6:07 AM]: how do you mean?
Wz [6:07 AM]: she was very fearful
Ai [6:08 AM]: i meant the, "you have a long way to go, if you wish to vist my doorstep" bit
Wzdrylmaster1 [6:08 AM]: they are just icons to sell the show none have any realaity to them, but i find that reality is them..lol
Ai [6:08 AM]: lol
Ai [6:09 AM]: everything in TV is an icon, there is no real truth
Wz [6:09 AM]: If your ready to study with me, you need to understand more and see farther then your martial
Wz [6:09 AM]: but in magick, you ask it to be so it will become so
Ai [6:09 AM]: Unless you're watching a very boring documentary
Ai [6:10 AM]: ahh
Ai [6:11 AM]: I don't understand your comment, but if I assume correctly, that was the point?
Wz [6:13 AM]: yes
Ai [6:13 AM]: well, that's refreshing. It gets boring if you think you know everything, doesn't it? :)
Wz [6:14 AM]: yeah
Ai [6:16 AM]: And yes, you are right. I am young and have alot to learn, but I think I have finally learned to admit thus, at least.
Wz [6:19 AM]: good then you might one day be humble enought to be ready for the gates
Ai [6:20 AM]: the gates?
Wz [6:20 AM]: i had to be...otherwise i wouldn't have been let in...
Wz [6:21 AM]: in the soul there are 5 gates out of the soul there are 3 and to master them all you must merge with the 4 and the 2 that you pass
Wz [6:22 AM]: the five are the spirits true gifts and sights, the 3 are the secrets of time and space, the 4 are the natured wills of this time and space, then the two is the dual universal designs of being....
Wz [6:23 AM]: after that your ready for the complex stuff
Ai [6:23 AM]: LOL
Ai [6:23 AM]: i should hope you're joking!
Ai [6:23 AM]: If that is not complex, what is?
Wz [6:24 AM]: if i would be i would have said LoL
Ai [6:24 AM]: NO! Don't tell me, I don't want to know!!!!
Ai [6:24 AM]: well, like you said, I have a long way to go still.
Wz [6:24 AM]: and thats just to be a mage
Wz [6:25 AM]: finding the loopholes and the congestional theories in them is the sage, then you get to the real wisdom...
Ai [6:26 AM]: Well, it does look like I have EVERYTHING to learn, heh.
Wz [6:27 AM]: being a wizard isn't about wisdom or self wisdom, its about the patterning from which the wisdom is created and the magick that is achieved
Ai[6:29 AM]: so...it is what makes wisdom, but i'm guessing you don't mean intellect?
Wz [6:29 AM]: correct
Wz [6:30 AM]: intellect or intellectual is just the basic idea that one can become aquainted with this wisdom but not understand its basic or agust nature
Wz [6:31 AM]: to know is not just to act or have
Wz [6:31 AM]: philosophy is pale in the art of true insight
Ai [6:32 AM]: i'll tell ya what, I'm going to copy and paste this to Word Processor, and i'll go re-read it another time, maybe with the aid of everyone i know...LOL
Wz [6:32 AM]: lol, it is welcomed to do so...
Ai [6:33 AM]: and maybe when I think I have any chance to understand it
Wz [6:33 AM]: u understand, it its just a mountian of information thats all
| How do you know you spoken to a wizard?, do they talk like yoda...you bet!!!! | by Luxas for everyone |
Well:
IS: (One thing I wanted to ask you. How did you come across wizardry and wizardryl? And are wizards more common than I think?)
WZ: Saddly there are few of us then even we know...(we know each other by the energy that is about) and a wizards energy is quite strong....
As for how i got into it....(I met or was summoned in a weird way, by a wizard helping in a shaman type of social circle, he found me difficult as well as insightful and even with that he still accepted me... (he is the one i have to thank for my Name....to this day)
He challenged me with stuff i thought was long since just a fairytale, and founded me on solid wisdom, as i do with my students..and others...
"Wisdom is the exploration of something to its basic or sub-basic view point even it its living word" (this is the power of the word......)
as for me before that wizard was just a person who could play videogames well or cheated at chess.....(i was a junior magiester in the occult but with no read credit to back it up other then my personal understandings, he shown me what "the workings of a wizard was" and i asked him how he got started and he said "he was slum-ing
about and a wizard found him, he was told never to say the name of this wizard before and to keep his workings secret, not because they was illegal but because thats the way the Wizards World is, only expands at our own rate, then he then told me the rules of wizardry...
Wizardryl was the thing that i couldn't master, and he laughed at me and said in time i will master it and not even know i did....(true wisdom isn't in you knowing that you know, he said its in the energy you express to act on it...or its actions on you)
He whispered in my ear and said? how can you be so deaf........can't you hear that.....
I said no, he laughed and said it would scare you to know it can feel you......
I said your joking, and he said.....ok, a nun and a rabbi walk into a bar.....
I said why are you joking, i thought this was serious, he said : to be serious is to be honest, but to be true is to be lighthearted.....be serious in your study not in your self...
He added a kid is a kid until he learns the word adult, but an adult isn't a kid because he forgot what the meaning of being a kid means... i said: your still joking aren't you?...
He said yes, and be happy i am, because when i stop joking its test time.....
I asked does it take long to be a wizard, he smiles and says thats the question when are you fully ready to label yourself, hummm... Some say when your ready you will know it, but thats not true for a wizard....
I asked why? and he said Exactly........
IS: (One thing I wanted to ask you. How did you come across wizardry and wizardryl? And are wizards more common than I think?)
WZ: Saddly there are few of us then even we know...(we know each other by the energy that is about) and a wizards energy is quite strong....
As for how i got into it....(I met or was summoned in a weird way, by a wizard helping in a shaman type of social circle, he found me difficult as well as insightful and even with that he still accepted me... (he is the one i have to thank for my Name....to this day)
He challenged me with stuff i thought was long since just a fairytale, and founded me on solid wisdom, as i do with my students..and others...
"Wisdom is the exploration of something to its basic or sub-basic view point even it its living word" (this is the power of the word......)
as for me before that wizard was just a person who could play videogames well or cheated at chess.....(i was a junior magiester in the occult but with no read credit to back it up other then my personal understandings, he shown me what "the workings of a wizard was" and i asked him how he got started and he said "he was slum-ing
about and a wizard found him, he was told never to say the name of this wizard before and to keep his workings secret, not because they was illegal but because thats the way the Wizards World is, only expands at our own rate, then he then told me the rules of wizardry...
Wizardryl was the thing that i couldn't master, and he laughed at me and said in time i will master it and not even know i did....(true wisdom isn't in you knowing that you know, he said its in the energy you express to act on it...or its actions on you)
He whispered in my ear and said? how can you be so deaf........can't you hear that.....
I said no, he laughed and said it would scare you to know it can feel you......
I said your joking, and he said.....ok, a nun and a rabbi walk into a bar.....
I said why are you joking, i thought this was serious, he said : to be serious is to be honest, but to be true is to be lighthearted.....be serious in your study not in your self...
He added a kid is a kid until he learns the word adult, but an adult isn't a kid because he forgot what the meaning of being a kid means... i said: your still joking aren't you?...
He said yes, and be happy i am, because when i stop joking its test time.....
I asked does it take long to be a wizard, he smiles and says thats the question when are you fully ready to label yourself, hummm... Some say when your ready you will know it, but thats not true for a wizard....
I asked why? and he said Exactly........
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The
new book setup by Oberon Zell, i hope it offers more insight into the
arts i have been openly teaching for 10 years so far, and not be just
another druid run-off with a wizarding cover....
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